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jmtandem

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Lots of Stuff,

Most small engined gasoline drivers will never know the thrill of actually climbing a hill without holding back diesel engined trucks with campers that are trying to pass you, will likely never see 250-300,000 miles on the first engine without having to take it apart for overhaul, and will never with a 4000 pound camper towing a trailer see the benefits of diesel power and the resulting fuel mileage that goes along with it, or later see the higher resale the diesel brings. So what do you get with a gasser? about 500 more pounds carrying capacity than a diesel. Or you could purchase a regular cab and not a crew cab; or two wheel drive in deference to four wheel drive? All will add to more payload capacity. But at what real cost---low hill climbing power; no cab room for dogs, people, stuff; no four wheel drive; no higher resale, and no better mileage towing or camper carrying. Small gas engines working hard all the time do not last as long and do not get the mileage of a diesel. That is why across the world virtually every industrial strength engine is diesel powered. But back to the post about carrying a heavy Lance camper-- do you really think that a small gas engine in a truck carrying a 1181, 1191 or 1131 camper is providing enough of a payload increase over the diesel to compensate for the lack of torque and power that the truck will need to muscle the truck and camper up a hill? I don't! I grew up in the '60's and 70's with VW's even owned one VW bus (transporter)and I can assure you that having the power to keep up with traffic especially climbing hills or bucking the wind is really nice.


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jmtandem wrote:

Lots of Stuff,

Most small engined gasoline drivers will never know the thrill of actually climbing a hill without holding back diesel engined trucks with campers that are trying to pass you, will likely never see 250-300,000 miles on the first engine without having to take it apart for overhaul, and will never with a 4000 pound camper towing a trailer see the benefits of diesel power and the resulting fuel mileage that goes along with it, or later see the higher resale the diesel brings. So what do you get with a gasser? about 500 more pounds carrying capacity than a diesel. Or you could purchase a regular cab and not a crew cab; or two wheel drive in deference to four wheel drive? All will add to more payload capacity. But at what real cost---low hill climbing power; no cab room for dogs, people, stuff; no four wheel drive; no higher resale, and no better mileage towing or camper carrying. Small gas engines working hard all the time do not last as long and do not get the mileage of a diesel. That is why across the world virtually every industrial strength engine is diesel powered. But back to the post about carrying a heavy Lance camper-- do you really think that a small gas engine in a truck carrying a 1181, 1191 or 1131 camper is providing enough of a payload increase over the diesel to compensate for the lack of torque and power that the truck will need to muscle the truck and camper up a hill? I don't! I grew up in the '60's and 70's with VW's even owned one VW bus (transporter)and I can assure you that having the power to keep up with traffic especially climbing hills or bucking the wind is really nice.


Mr Tanden, this was a beautifully intellegent post. Save a copy of it for future threads when the uninformed start trying to convince others that their gassers are superior.

Additional note: since diesel engines get at least 1/3 more mpg than a gasser it stands to reason that... if gasoline costs $3.00/gallon... diesel fuel would have to be more than $3.90/gallon before the diesel fuel would be more expensive comparing mpg.



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Hi Sleepy,

Coming from you--wow! Also, my name is not Tandem; but I do ride a tandem bicycle with my wife. You were very close to where we live when you camped out in Hope Valley. The three valleys are Hope, Charity, and Faith and all are US prime for scenery. I have camped many times at upper Blue lake that is just a little farther up the road from where you were camped. The area is fondly called the California Alps by locals.

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jmtandem wrote:

Hi Sleepy,

Coming from you--wow! Also, my name is not Tandem; but I do ride a tandem bicycle with my wife. You were very close to where we live when you camped out in Hope Valley. The three valleys are Hope, Charity, and Faith and all are US prime for scenery. I have camped many times at upper Blue lake that is just a little farther up the road from where you were camped. The area is fondly called the California Alps by locals.


And I'm more sleepless than sleepy.

You are correct about the beautiful Kalifornia Alps. When we left Hope Valley my wife and I drove the short distance to Lake Tahoe Beach. Another wow place. (We parked a couple of nights at a casino.)

We went to prison from there... after picking up Reddogs wife. What a contrast.. from the wide open spaces to the confinment of san Quinten.

BTW... what is a good tandum bike?

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Hi Sleepy,

Compared to the many manufacturers of road and mountain bicycles, tandems are made by only a few companies. Santana makes the most and has the largest share of the market and also offers tours and rallys for their owners (although not limited to only owners). They are made in the Los Angeles basin. We have a CoMotion Softride Cappuccino (made in Oregon) that is known for handling and the softride beam for comfort. Tandems are not necessarily low cost as ours is about $4300 new without options. But, tandems are one way for couples with uneven strength and bicycling abilities to ride bicycles and never be more than three feet from your favorite squeeze or spouse, brings people together in one activity, and tandem folks are friendly and family oriented. Some even go so far as to say the tandem can strengthen marriages as it makes both spouses work together for the same objective. Other manufactureres include Cannondale, Trek, and several speciality builders. Overall, compared to the huge bicycle market nationwide, tandems and recumbents are a very small nitche.

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I absolutely love this camper. I prefer a dry bath, and was seriously considering Lance 981, but chose AF990 because the wetbath was superior. Had the 971 been available, though.........we also love the rear kitchen, makes the camper very open and bright.

Lance just needs to work on price.


2006 Dodge 2500/CTD/Quad/2WD LWB, Vision/245/19.5, Ride-Rite, Hellwig Overloads, Torklift/Superhitch, Fastguns, Line X. 2007 AF990 WetBath.

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Hoss427 wrote:

I saw a 992 double slide pill into the Lance dealer last week when I stopped by to see if He had a 971. The 992 was on a Crew cab 2500 Silverado Duramax. The truck looked like it was sideways on the ocean with 20 foot waves as it drove accross the entry from the road. Talk about rock and roll. NOT my cup of tea. The Chevy set level because of the airbags on it....but damn did it sway as he drove in to park. The 992 is definetly for a one ton in my book. dually preferably.



I can't compare my Dodge 3500 dually to other brands in the one ton compartment, but having a 992 on it, I tend to agree with your assessment. I'm struggling right now to do everything I can to reduce the amount of sway I'm getting and it's not exactly fun. Much more money than I suspected I would spend getting the rig outfitted to haul a camper.

I'm currently researching full air ride suspensions or building my own.


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I can't compare my Dodge 3500 dually to other brands in the one ton compartment, but having a 992 on it, I tend to agree with your assessment. I'm struggling right now to do everything I can to reduce the amount of sway I'm getting and it's not exactly fun. Much more money than I suspected I would spend getting the rig outfitted to haul a camper.

I'm currently researching full air ride suspensions or building my own.


Blaine

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Deaver wrote:

mrblaine wrote:


I can't compare my Dodge 3500 dually to other brands in the one ton compartment, but having a 992 on it, I tend to agree with your assessment. I'm struggling right now to do everything I can to reduce the amount of sway I'm getting and it's not exactly fun. Much more money than I suspected I would spend getting the rig outfitted to haul a camper.

I'm currently researching full air ride suspensions or building my own.


Blaine

Talk to the AirRock Guys You may be on to something

and Welcome


I'll pass on the AirRock guys. But, I am talking to another Deaver as in Deaver Spring to see if it's feasible to duplicate the Z bar used by Granning. I have some philosophical design issues with the majority of the Air Ride conversions I've seen so far.

If Deaver comes through, the rest is a cakewalk as far as building it goes. I'm already well versed in ride height control valves, and am rapidly getting up to speed on pilot operated dump valves. I can design and build trackbars in my sleep, so lateral location is no biggie and I just finished up my Extreme Outback compressor, electrical for it, and small tank install today.

Tomorrow I will start on the HCV and Dump valve install and air line routing.

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