mrjimboalaska
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GM is gambling their future as well, considering, by there OWN admission, that they don't have the Battery Technology needed for the VOLTS as of right now. Did you catch THAT in the PBS special?
I do not know of anyone whom has posted in this thread that has said that Drilling ALONE will solve our energy problem. Most have said to pursue "ALL OF THE ABOVE, but a MINOR few have said, "OIL IS EVIL", "NO OIL", well guess what, Oil is our infustructure NOW, and at least for the next 30 years.
Show me John Deere's, or Massy Furgason's Tractor that is "Electric", how about an International Combine that is Electric? Or, an Electric Peterbuilt?
BIG QUESTION....
Fezzwiggy....what kind of cars do you own?
as for our family, A Chevy Duramax (18-25 mpg) Chevy Venture Van (22-28 mpg)
Jeep Wrangler(17-22 mpg) and my Harley(35-45 mpg) I invest in AMERICA when all possible. Besides, we make the best Auto's in the world.
You are right though on Globalization of our economy, but Oil is just a part of problem in that regard. We need EQUAL Trade with our trading partners, and nedd to step away from the "globalization" of our economy. It would be better for us, but our trading partners may not like it.
Oil is NOT evil, and along with HEAVY NUCLEAR EXPANSION, needs to be part of a new broadbased Energy plan. Excluding those from any plan is just bowing to the "CLean/Carbon Free" crowd. ALL OF THE ABOVE.........
As for Europe, I lived there for 4 years (Germany) Trust me, I don't want to drive a Fiat Punto, or a VW polo, deathtraps is what they are. People drive Tiny cars there because Fuel is TAXED 90%....they have to subsidize the Mass transit somehow...They also live 3 generations to a Home. Have VERY HIGH income TAX, the VAT TAX is 16%. Poor Health Insurance(But is's Free! NOT)
I think we can look at there system and see what NOT to do.
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topflite51
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Right again, Jimbo. The only ones who are against all options of power resources seem to be the wind and solar advocates. Hmmm....... I wonder if they too have lots of money invested in those fields, a la the Speaker. I think its a conspiracy. Yup, its a dang conspiracy, that's what it is. 
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Charlie D.
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H_1 wrote:Charlie D. wrote:How are you going to charge the Volt? ...
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As others said. Drill and drill now.
Electricity isn't that difficult to produce. It's tricky to do it for free. I've looked into it, and am pretty sure we could go off-grid if we had to. It might mean conservation (gasp).
You are correct. It's not that hard to produce but you GOTTA build the plants to produce it. Again, natural gas powered plants are the quickest to build but the fact is that they are not being built. We are soon to be in an electrical supply shortage. Oil supply is diminishing as we speak but there are years of untapped American and Canadian supply. Why don't we develop it if for no other reason that to stabilize OUR supply in an angry world. Reports today are that an 800,000 bpd pipe line in Georgia will soon be back on line and oil is down today. Oil was up yesterday because of the uncertainty with Russians Georgia.
We need oil until we can make the transition to other sources. Although I don't like the high prices, they must remain high enough to develop alternatives until the transiions are made.
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Charlie D. wrote:...
We need oil until we can make the transition to other sources. Although I don't like the high prices, they must remain high enough to develop alternatives until the transitions are made.
I concur.
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H_1
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mrjimboalaska wrote:...
Show me John Deere's, or Massy Furgason's Tractor that is "Electric", how about an International Combine that is Electric? Or, an Electric Peterbuilt?
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Not a Pete, but a Mercedes, and not a pure electric, but a hybrid cng/electric here
Hybrids are coming, Peterbuilt has a few. For some applications diesel will probably remain the choice. But not all.
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Fezziwig wrote:"Drill here, drill now. Keep the money close to home. "
See, the problem is that WE, the USA, do NOT control when or where oil drilling will occur.
All we control is access to oil fields through oil leases. We sell those leases too cheap, too.
Selling a lease has NO effect on drilling.
And the money goes NOT to where the oil field is located, but to the drilling oil company. We have no way to keep the money home.
The first question you have to ask yourself is WHY do we have so little say in the disposition of our own oil, and our own money?
The next question is, WHO brought this bad state about?
You can find out for yourself on the internet. You just have to do the kind of diligent searching and questioning that a USA citizen ought to do on an important issue. It may take a couple days.
Hint: has nothing to do with tree-huggers.
I don't have to look for the answer on the net, I see it every day in the natural gas fields here in WV.
You dream about foreign interests snatching up our oil with us getting nothing out of it. Keep banging that drum.
I see paychecks, royalties, car sales, overtime checks, equipment rolling down the highways every day.
Fezz thinks all that money went over seas. Tell that to the Ford truck salesmen in our area. Coal and NG are saving their butts.
I am sure the same thing is going on in TX and OK in the oil fields.
Sell the lease too cheap --HA. I just want them sold!!! You don't. Better than sending ALL dollars over seas. What do you care if there is none left? We'll be running our combat vehicles on electric and soy oil by then.
OH, your theories of conspiracy sound great now. Who conspired to keep oil DIRT CHEAP for most of 20 years before this huge Asian explosion?
Conspiracy theories rule. NWO, baby. Big brother is sticking it to ya.
Well we bought gas for $1.20 not too long ago. What happened to the conspirers then. I guess they were broke.
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jimbo says:
"GM is gambling their future as well, considering, by there OWN admission, that they don't have the Battery Technology needed for the VOLTS as of right now."
Yes they do. Lithium ion. Check out that interview with Charlie Ross.
When a nation sells its raw materials cheap and buys finished products dear it is just an exploited colony. It's dumb to volunteer for that. But we sell oil leases cheap and buy back finished oil products expensive.
Dumb dumb dumb.
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Fezziwig wrote:"As others said. Drill and drill now."
And as I've said before, we cannot control when and where drilling is done, nor to whom the oil will be sent.
What difference does it make where the oil is sent? When anyone drills here the lease money is paid to the landowner (us), the royalties for the oil sold is paid to the landowners (us), the raw materials (steel for pipe, rock for the drill site, mud, chemicals, etc are bought from someone (more than likely here), the trucks (from here) that bring the rock and mud and chemicals are paid by the drillers, the people they hire to work on the rigs (most of the ones I have seen around here sure don't look like they come from China) are from here and get paid good salaries.
Heck with all the drilling going on at the Barnett Shale here in the DFW are you see rigs everywhere and trucks running all the time and someone here is making money.
So what difference does it make if it goes somewhere else? We are always going to have to pay market price for the oil we use so why not pay that market price and a bunch of local folks salaries as well instead of just waiting for China to park a bunch of rigs off the coast of Florida and then sell the oil to us?
Doesn't make sense to me to just wait for someone else to drill.
Besides, we don't have enough capacity to refine all that oil to gas so we have to send it elsewhere to get that done because no one wants a refinery in there state (of course they don't mind if it is in one of the gulf states west of Florida then it is alright).
Who cares if them OPECKERS cut their production if we start drilling? Just means less money to be used to send mad bombers all over the world and if they do then the prices go up and the landowners get paid more royalties for the oil produced here.
I always hear the "it will take ten years and not make a difference if we start drilling now". The funny thing is those same people say "we can put a bunch of wind turbines off the coast of New York and in ten years we can produce 10% of the cities electrical needs". Funny how ten years is bad in one instance and good in another.
We do need to work on alternatives but what do you do in the meantime? How many vehicles do we need to replace right away and how in the world can we do that if we don't have the alternative yet. We need to do all of the above but we gotta have oil now as well.
My ranting is done and I feel better knowing that no one will change their minds as you are either completely against oil or know that we do have to have it for some time in the future. Took 100 years or more to get where we are and we ain't going to change overnight.
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jimbo said:
"...I do not know of anyone whom has posted in this thread that has said that Drilling ALONE will solve our energy problem. Most have said to pursue "ALL OF THE ABOVE, but a MINOR few have said, "OIL IS EVIL", "NO OIL",..."
Who here has said "OIL IS EVIL". Who has said "NO OIL"?
Please show us where.
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jimbo said:
"GM is gambling their future as well, considering, by there OWN admission, that they don't have the Battery Technology needed for the VOLTS as of right now."
That's funny, Rick Wagoner , Bob Lutz and Bob Boniface say they DO. Are they lying? Or did you just make that up?
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