Fezziwig
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RV owners better start hoping that no politician depends on that "drill now drill here" crap, because in the 10 years (or more) it will take that oil to reach the (international) market, where we will get about 1/3, or less, depending on how much the Chinese and Indians have ramped up their demands, you'll all have to sell your RVs at rock bottom prices, or sell them for scrap, if you can find anyone to take the damn things off your hands.
With gas at $10-$20 per gallon that $150,000 motor home just looks like a rusting money pit. In fact, even at $5/gal. it looks pretty bad, especially if you still have payments.
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Charlie D.
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Now I'm gonna do what I should have done weeks ago. Quit reading it.
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Charlie D. wrote:
Now I'm gonna do what I should have done weeks ago. Quit reading it.
Ya it seems to have gotten personal with one poster, he seems know to relish the fact someone may take a hit with their motorhome ( at least that is what the poster is saying) I think they want to see it happen more than what may happen. For me I keep moving along as I can one mile at a time.
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All I'm saying is that if you depend on "drill now drill here" you are going to see your RV rust away unused in a weed-choked yard someplace while the international oil companies dawdle along for 10 years and fuel prices go through the roof.
Your choice.
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Fezziwig wrote:All I'm saying is that if you depend on "drill now drill here" you are going to see your RV rust away unused in a weed-choked yard someplace while the international oil companies dawdle along for 10 years and fuel prices go through the roof.
Your choice.
Since its my home I doubt that will happen. But think what you want. I thought I would reply since you have been rambling on and on for awhile now. By the way what are your driving/towing or what. I still say you seem to take interest in others pain if it comes down to that just so you can say I told ya so. I agree with the other posters have said you have gotten way with more than any other here on this thread with your political views and maybe its time to stick a fork in this one.
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lwmuddy
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Am I wrong in thinking that ANY oil that is brought up in the USA still goes into the general pot to be sold around the world at what ever the market will bare?
The "Drill Here-Drill Now" song that we are hearing is only "Feel Good" politics approaching an election. Those "Strange Bedfellows" are at it again.
I wish we could hear what they say about the public behind their closed door discussions. If we did hear them then we would probably vote for the CEO of Disney World instead, because we all know that DW makes a profit and gets repeat customers.
Now, if I could just get this Straight Jacket off I might see things differently.
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Drill here, drill now.
Who cares where its sold? Go ahead and sell it overseas. That will bring some foreign dollars HOME.
Slow down that huge sucking sound.
All the anti-drillers have is that it wont lower the price and only foreign companies will benefit.
Tell that to the poor sap looking for a job in this supposedly slow economy.
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Fezziwig
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Nuclear? A solar plant occupying the same acreage produces almost as much electricity as nuclear, and you get side benefits:
1-no radioactive wastes
2-no terrorist target
3-no federal insurance expenditure (Price-Anderson)
4-private construction financing, no federal subsidy (no nuke reactor has ever been built with private capital).
We conservatives prefer solar because it privatizes the energy industry and the insurance industry. It's only those one-world radical socialists who want the nationalized nukes.
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If we 'drill now drill here' then we get to wait until 2030 (according to the Energy Information Administration in the DOE) to see if it contributes significantly to global oil. Too bad that the IEA says that the effect on prices will be negligible.
Too bad. People will be disappointed after waiting 20 years, then digging that $150,000 motor coach out of the weeds in the backyard, only to find that gas went up anyway and now costs $20/gallon.
How did this sad state come to pass?
100 years ago the USA controlled world oil because we were the biggest producers of oil in the world. American kerosene replaced whale oil in lamps around the world. Petrol replaced alcohol and other volatiles. Because oil products were cheaper. And the USA controlled the supply.
50 years ago we started to import oil and we financed all the foreign oil producers. We gave away the production control, but retained market control by being the biggest consumer of oil, so we could make the market dance to our tune.
But now we are rapidly losing market control as other consumers dominate the market (can you say C-h-i-n-a?). Soon, prices will be entirely set by those foreign entities. No matter WHAT we do we will not affect market prices, and we will have lost sovereignty over our own oil fields (if we try to sequester US oil then the WTO will declare us outlaws and send in troops from China to Set Us Right, just as they do in Tibet).
Oil is "fungible", and as long as markets are open to global trade they are all interchangeable. So, yes, a barrel of oil produced in the USA will go into the global pool, from which the USA draws about 1/3. Not a good deal. especially since the oil companies are 55% foreign owned (thanks to our generosity over the past 50 years) so the profits leave the country. A few American slaves will be employed to do the dirty work at the wells and on the (foreign registered) oil tankers.
When, in past centuries, western countries did that we called it "colonialism".
Why would it be any different? What could possibly persuade a person to continue on this degenerative course? What oil strategy will produce a good outcome for the USA and it's citizens, such as me and thee?
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Geez,
Go Carbon ONsetting for a week and this thread goes from really bad to REALLY bad.
No changing this Fizzywedge at all.
Now planning my next Carbon ONsetting trip.....
enjoy all..... DRILL HERE DRILL NOW
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