mkirsch

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The rear leaf springs in my truck are getting fatigued. Went to hook up the trailer and couldn't get the extended jack foot out from under the jack. That was never a problem before.
I know it's not a matter of tongue weight because there's less in the front of the trailer this year than last for the same trip.
Would I be better served by replacing the factory springs, or adding supersprings? I figure replacement factory springs will just do the same thing again in another 90K miles.
What really grinds my gears is that I haven't abused this truck by any stretch of the imagination. Maybe 2000 miles of towing out of 90K, and none of that anywhere near the truck's maximum.
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I've got a couple buddies w/ supersprings and both are happy w/them.
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I've done adda leafs, and helpers, then did a new spring pack.......no more add ons, will only go for new leaf packs from now on.
I do not remember what rig you have, but on my 96 GM K3500 SW truck, I went from a 5together and an overload at the bottom, to 6 and 1 with ea leaf about 1/6" thicker, or 6400 lbs to 8400 lbs of springs, handles loads better, along with riding just as smooth etc. I have been thinking about doing this with my lower spring pack of my dually, then leaving the overloads alone.
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I don't know what a Superspring is but I have taken several vehicles to the local spring shop and had a leaf added. Last time was about $190 and I never got my hands dirty.
Just a tip, if you list your tow vehicle and trailer in your signature, other people will know what vehicle you are referring to when you ask for advise. Could be helpful if your vehicle has a known issue.
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SoCalDesertRider

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I have forgotten what Supersprings are. I think they are some kinda add-on spring device that grabs one end of the leaf pack and pulls it up??
Anyways, I would go with either re-arcing the stock leaf packs and adding a leaf or two to them, or replace them with heavy duty leaf packs.
I did the same thing Marty did with his truck. I went from the stock 5 leaf packs to heavy duty 7 leaf packs with much longer, thicker leafs and about 3000 lbs more spring capacity for the rear axle. Huge difference in how the truck handles the weight of the 3500 lb utility body I carry in the bed of the truck. 
I wish I had pics of the stock F350 SRW springs to compare them to the new springs. The new springs so much heavier and bigger than the old ones it's not even funny. The leafs are longer and much thicker. The old ones looked like they belong on a 1/2-ton. The new ones have almost as much carrying capacity as stock F450 springs.




Here you see the factory stock helper spring above the main leaf packs. The frame stops rest on each end of the helper spring. That spring use to be almost laying on the main packs with the original spring packs. Now it just barely being compressed. The truck is about 6 inches higher in the back when fully loaded now with the new springs than with the old ones.

This is how the truck sits with 3500 lbs in the bed, just above level in the rear. No air bags or other suspension aids, just heavy duty leaf packs.
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mkirsch

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I'm going to try this again. This forum keeps choking on stuff I post with invalid formatting errors... I go back and look and there's nothing in my posts but letters, numbers, periods, and an occasional apostrophe.
It's a 2003 Silverado 1500 with 91K miles, mostly highway, mostly empty.
What bothers me is that I've never had more than 600 pounds in the back of the truck at any given time, be it two fat guys, trailer tongue and gear, or just stuff. I've never towed more than about 5500lbs, and that was only for about 15 miles at 35MPH. Total towing is maybe 2500 miles in 91K total, most of that at 3500lbs or less.
I don't know if the springs have lost any of their arch. The truck seems to be at the same ride height unloaded as before.
When I lowered the big trailer on, the truck would squat a couple of inches and stop. This last weekend, it just kept dropping. Down, down, down... until I ran out of jack. Looking at it from the side, it's getting close to the "frame on the axle, headlights pointed to the sky" look that a bad trailering setup shows.
Unless someone has been strapping lead ingots underneath the front of my trailer, I know, 100% for certain, that the trailer tongue is lighter than last year and I had less in the bed. Last year I had two tables in the bed, this year only one. Last year I had a floor jack, jack stands, and a spare tire in the front of the trailer, this year all three were left in the garage.
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SoCalDesertRider

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That does seem odd that your springs would lose their 'springyness' like that and yet still maintain the stock ride height when empty. Usually when they sag from age and abuse, they sag down a little even when unloaded. Maybe someone's been filling your gas tank with lead b-b's... LOL
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Grodyman

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SoCalDesertRider wrote: I have forgotten what Supersprings are. I think they are some kinda add-on spring device that grabs one end of the leaf pack and pulls it up??
Anyways, I would go with either re-arcing the stock leaf packs and adding a leaf or two to them, or replace them with heavy duty leaf packs.
I did the same thing Marty did with his truck. I went from the stock 5 leaf packs to heavy duty 7 leaf packs with much longer, thicker leafs and about 3000 lbs more spring capacity for the rear axle. Huge difference in how the truck handles the weight of the 3500 lb utility body I carry in the bed of the truck.
I wish I had pics of the stock F350 SRW springs to compare them to the new springs. The new springs so much heavier and bigger than the old ones it's not even funny. The leafs are longer and much thicker. The old ones looked like they belong on a 1/2-ton. The new ones have almost as much carrying capacity as stock F450 springs.
Here you see the factory stock helper spring above the main leaf packs. The frame stops rest on each end of the helper spring. That spring use to be almost laying on the main packs with the original spring packs. Now it just barely being compressed. The truck is about 6 inches higher in the back when fully loaded now with the new springs than with the old ones.
This is how the truck sits with 3500 lbs in the bed, just above level in the rear. No air bags or other suspension aids, just heavy duty leaf packs.

Awesome! Is that the work of National Spring? What was the cost of the new spring packs?? I could do new spring packs and avoid welding bumpstops and adding auxiliary springs.
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SoCalDesertRider

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Those are Dayton spring packs. Although, I'm sure National Spring in El Cajon or North County Spring in Escondido can make you whatever kind of spring packs you want. Tony over at North County Spring is a real easy going guy and can get your truck set up right.
I had forgotten about North County Spring when I bought the new Dayton packs from Stengelbros.com. I didn't feel like making the trek to El Cajon to go to National Spring that day so I clicked my mouse instead. I did have National build springs for my Bronco several years ago and they are still fine.
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I installed Firestone RideRite air bags to assist my aging F250. They provide great load-matching flexibility and ride characteristics.
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