WTTCS

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Will people ever learn that KOA is a ripoff?
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Skid Row Joe

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Wal*Mart is your friend......KOA? LMAO!
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Eycom

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We can sugar coat KOAs until the cows come home. Bottom line is, it's a FRANCHISE that projects a universal image of quality and standards in amenities not offered by many campgrounds.
I had the displeasure of camping at the KOA on Grand Island, NY several years ago. For $48/night, I got a site that was tight for a truck camper. My little slide-out butted up against my neighbor's slide, so forget the awning. There was no carpet on the miniature golf course, paddle boats were literally swamped, the pond was full of scum and half of the games in the game room were down. While I don't need or even use those amenities, I'm sure there were many young campers and parents who were unhappy with the disrepair. Although the staff was courteous, I won't return due to the lack of value for me.
That's been my experience with 80% of the KOAs I've visited over the years. What the corporate/franchise image projects simply doesn't translate into a standardization in the quality of services rendered. In consideration of the higher fees they charge compared to other campgrounds, they just haven't delivered, either a perceived or real value for ME. At least with a Burger King, be it a corporate store or a franchisee, one store may be cleaner than others, but all the 'whoppers' and fries taste the same. I know, going in, exactly what to expect and how much.
Not so with KOA. I can have as good or better luck in receiving value simply by making a selection from Trailer Life for less money for a campsite. This coming from a camper who will boondock first, government campground second, and Passport America park third. Now, that's value... free to 1/2 price camping...LOL.
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revump

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I KOA only when there is nothing else available. I have not found them friendly or helpful. They need a good dose of PR training.
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Bumpyroad

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I stayed at that same KOA a few years back and had a fine experience.
JMHO
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mikhen

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We only use 1 KOA. Pine Grove KOa aka Twin Grove Park. Never had a problem there.
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tonylogon

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Eycom wrote: We can sugar coat KOAs until the cows come home. Bottom line is, it's a FRANCHISE that projects a universal image of quality and standards in amenities not offered by many campgrounds.
I had the displeasure of camping at the KOA on Grand Island, NY several years ago. For $48/night, I got a site that was tight for a truck camper. My little slide-out butted up against my neighbor's slide, so forget the awning. There was no carpet on the miniature golf course, paddle boats were literally swamped, the pond was full of scum and half of the games in the game room were down. While I don't need or even use those amenities, I'm sure there were many young campers and parents who were unhappy with the disrepair. Although the staff was courteous, I won't return due to the lack of value for me.
That's been my experience with 80% of the KOAs I've visited over the years. What the corporate/franchise image projects simply doesn't translate into a standardization in the quality of services rendered. In consideration of the higher fees they charge compared to other campgrounds, they just haven't delivered, either a perceived or real value for ME. At least with a Burger King, be it a corporate store or a franchisee, one store may be cleaner than others, but all the 'whoppers' and fries taste the same. I know, going in, exactly what to expect and how much.
Not so with KOA. I can have as good or better luck in receiving value simply by making a selection from Trailer Life for less money for a campsite. This coming from a camper who will boondock first, government campground second, and Passport America park third. Now, that's value... free to 1/2 price camping...LOL.
Thankyou for your comment, but all I asked was for an extra hour... My Son was better latter in the day,, I think he got sick in the water Park....
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tonylogon

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joanne0012 wrote: OK, I'm going to play the "Devil's Advocate" here. You told the KOA staff that your kid was sick and had to stay in bed, yet you asked for only a one-hour extension of the checkout time. Was he going to recover during that hour? As noted above, the KOA staff hear excuses and requests all the time, and yours wasn't especially plausible.
"I will give you 15 minutes after 11:00, and after that you will have to pay an extra $10.00 to stay any longer only until one". This is an offer (albeit crudely put) to let you stay two hours past the regular checkout time, for their stated rate of $10. This is the campground's posted policy. If the staff let you stay an extra hour for free, then they have to let everybody stay an extra hour for free.
Thankyou for your reply...
We gave him an aspirin and were waiting for his fever to go down,, and it did.. as for the $ 10.00 ,, I own a Corp. and I have to bend sometimes to make it easier for my Clients,,,and I'am telling you that you CANNOT PENNY PINCH the Families......If you do you will lose... If you advertise Family then,, show some empathy for the family... There is a lot of people out there that cannot afford the extra $10.00....Like I said before I have never been asked for any extra money from any Campsite and I only asked about 2 or 3 times for real reasons.. What I see is the KOA is losing money,,, and are trying to grab as much as they can,,, but in the end they will lose,,,, for the tide is shifting.
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Bumpyroad

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one fact remains, that KOA is very large. and I doubt that they check every site at exactly check out time for all units leaving that day. Had you unhooked from all utilities and just sat there for a few extra minutes, I doubt there would have been any repercussions.
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kjames90755

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While the fact remains that KOA is a franchise company, they do have their standards at the corporate level. After a bad experience, you should always write the company headquarters, take down names, times, etc.
Enough complaints over one campground can and has resulted in the franchisee seeing a sign company truck park by the sign and take out the "KOA Kamground" sign...at the order of the company, who then bills the campground. This is called "Losing the Franchise".
Another company which does this is...notably: McDonalds...don't keep their standards up, and they are randomly shopping your franchise--usually once per month...if problems are detected it may become once a week, randomly--if problems are detected still, it may become daily once per shift--and you can literally "Lose it overnight". McD's corporate will, and have, gone into some of their franchise stores mid-day to meet the franchisee on-site, and taken keys away--they exercise a clause in the agreement which allows them to take control of the restaurant location as a different type of franchise (an investor owned, company operated restaurant--rather than a franchisee operated, franhisee owned restaurant). Franchisee's are effectively locked out of any control at this point and must "continue the investment per contract" or face several hundreds of thousands dollars in damages. In the same vein, KOA affiliated CGs also face "penalties" for dropping KOAs standards, loss of reservations from the corporate center (a Customer Service issue, to be sure) when KOA shuts off their reservation computer tie-in. They also must repay training costs associated with having been trained by KOA...again, several thousand dollars in expenses and if the CG is a new location, and a franchise, they may have been developed & built by KOA, which means that even if they lose the franchise--they must continue to pay to KOA for their "property development".
So, you see, a complaint, while denoting a negative experience, is viewed by corporate offices as an instance of constructive feedback--it helps them to protect their image by letting them know there is a problem to be rectified.
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