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chadsalt wrote: Never heard of one breaking, been a common problem on GM pickups for 10+ years?????????? I would be interested to hear how your 07 shaft is holding up in 20K.
chadsalt, have a correction....was in a rush to get to work, and need to clarify.
The time line is from late January '07 to July '08....So the estimated milage would be 9,006.4354838709677419354838709677
on the '07 shaft.
Never heard of one breaking either, but would you want to take that chance?.....And my mechanic's father has a '99 K2500HD its been crackin' since '00, don't know what he did to get the part, but he's happy now to.
My next inspection here in Pa. is in April '09 the estimate then would be 15,363.91935483870967741935483871 miles
I'll have to dig up the work order to make sure.
As far as I am concerned GM can keep replacing this part, no matter what the warranty. I bought this truck in good faith, and when I found out how long its been going on...I'll stop buggin them sometime around 2013, maybe 2014
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Shendoh wrote:
Never heard of one breaking either, but would you want to take that chance?.....And my mechanic's father has a '99 K2500HD its been crackin' since '00, don't know what he did to get the part, but he's happy now to.
My understanding of the "problem" is slop in the spines of the shaft. Greasing the shaft fills in the slop and stops the knocking/slapping/banging. At least thats what mine did when I took it apart and greased it with the fancy little kit GM put out. I see no reason to worry about breakage.
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I replaced the one in my 04 Silverado, was not hard, I did it myself cause it was out of warranty and I wanted the job done right... Took the 06 Tahoe into the dealer and they must have turned the wheel while the shaft was out, a couple months later the Air Bag was inoperative and the NEW dealer said after taking it apart that it was due to the previous dealer fixing the shaft. Now almost a year after the first visit to the dealer to get it fixed, the noise is back, probably less then 10k added to the truck... I will/would never take another car/truck there if it was the last place on earth... They really screwed things up for us there, I think they are all now just about worked out..
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Okay, now that I can post again...
It's the INTER-mediate shaft, not the immediate shaft. As in, between the upper and lower shafts.
Mine started clunking after about a year. They replaced it under warranty.
A year later it started clunking again. They lubed it. The truck was just out of warranty, so they split the cost 50/50 with me.
The shop manager told me that if it ever happens again, just get the $14 GM lube kit and fix it myself. It's some special grease and/or applicator, and it's dead-easy to install according to him.
I really liked that shop manager. He really knew his stuff, knew all the bulletins and problems right off the top of his head. Every problem I had with my '03, he'd snap his fingers and say, "Yep, I've seen that, there's a repair bulletin, we'll fix 'er right up for you."
Almost 60,000 miles later, it hasn't started clunking again.
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It is probably not your intermediate shaft. I had mine replaced at 15,000 miles and it only quit for a couple of weeks. The dealer couldn't figure out why, so I dug into it myself. Found that the shaft goes through a nylon sleeve that mounts on the firewall. The sleeve wears and then the noise starts.
I bought the sleeve, replaced it myself and took the receipt to my service manager, They reimbursed me for the part and the labor.
I now have 102,000 miles on the truck and no noise ever.
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This is a huge known problem with GM .Its very easy to do it yourself.Just call your Gm dealer and ask them for this kit,Part number is GM 26098237,It comes with a thing of grease and a rubber cork like stopper with intstructions.Takes maybe a hour to do the first time.And i can tell you ,you will do it almost every year.Theres no danger of anything falling apart from this clunking shaft,its just a poor design.You can buy a after market shaft that will fix this problem.If you want to spend the money get yourself a Borgeson,they gaurentee to solve the problem
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Shendoh wrote: Papa & Mimi wrote: I have a 2005 GMC 2500HD Sierra. About one year after I bought the truck new the front end started sounding like it was coming out from under the truck. Especially when I was turning on a bumpy road. I took it in the the dealer said it was the "immediate shaft" and it needed greasing. Turns out that the immediate shaft is the stearing shaft.
They took it out and greased it and that cured the problem. Now it's doing it again and the truck is out of warrenty. Does anyone know where I can get instructions (hopefully with pictures) on how to remove and grease this shaft?
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Instead of going through all that, go to the back of your owners manual, pick up the phone, and call GMC customer service.
Make sure you have the VIN # of your truck.
Explain to the person that answers that your truck has a bad intermediate steering shaft, go into as much or little detail as you like, and you want it replaced with the "newly engineered" 2007 shaft----One caveat the truck has to have less than 70,000 miles on it.
If you do this during your dealer's normal business hours, the customer service rep will ask for your dealers info (location/phone number)...What would be a convenient time for you, and if you will hold the line while he/she calls to make an appointment for you. The rep will also make sure the part is there for your appointment.
Dealers hate getting calls from C.S., and will bend over backwards to make sure your happy; You may also be asked to take a survey to see if everything turned out all right.
As far as I can tell these shafts were installed as early as the '98 model GM/GMC trucks, and the engineers didn't come up with a fix until 2007
I have an '03 Silverado that had three replacements (not greased) done before it ran out of warranty in late '06. In January '07 I found out about the extended warranty, and made the call, and I have been happy ever since!........Knock on wood...
Just recently, I recieved in the mail a settlement notice about Instrument panels going bad, they have been placed under the 7year/70,000 warranty.
I don't think I'll hit the milage, since I only have 32,847, but I'm good till 2010.
Hope this helps, Spread the word!
Shendoh What he said.
But it can't break. It's a spline engagement and frankly will get to a certain noise level and not get any worse. The splines have too much clearance that the grease takes up. The grease gets pushed to the side and the knocking starts. At one point we were supposed to take one end of the shaft loose and work it through it's full range to redistribute the grease as an interim fix.
It did start on the '99 model trucks released in '98 and has gone through several attempts at a fix. One customer I had drilled a hole in the side of the outer shell, installed a grease fitting and hit it a shot or two every time he changed his oil. I'm not recommending that officially since it is modifying a safety item, but it made him happy.
The new ones have been much better so far. I know of a few 20K plus ones that were still quiet.
The same year range mid/full size cars do it too BTW. GM really screwed the pooch on that one.
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SJones37 wrote: This is a huge known problem with GM .Its very easy to do it yourself.Just call your Gm dealer and ask them for this kit,Part number is GM 26098237,It comes with a thing of grease and a rubber cork like stopper with intstructions.Takes maybe a hour to do the first time.And i can tell you ,you will do it almost every year.Theres no danger of anything falling apart from this clunking shaft,its just a poor design.You can buy a after market shaft that will fix this problem.If you want to spend the money get yourself a Borgeson,they gaurentee to solve the problem
Does this kit come with any pictures or instructions?
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dbcc186 wrote: SJones37 wrote: This is a huge known problem with GM .Its very easy to do it yourself.Just call your Gm dealer and ask them for this kit,Part number is GM 26098237,It comes with a thing of grease and a rubber cork like stopper with intstructions.Takes maybe a hour to do the first time.And i can tell you ,you will do it almost every year.Theres no danger of anything falling apart from this clunking shaft,its just a poor design.You can buy a after market shaft that will fix this problem.If you want to spend the money get yourself a Borgeson,they gaurentee to solve the problem
Does this kit come with any pictures or instructions?
Yes it does come with instructions.Also do a google search for GM clunking steering shaft and you will get about 1000 pages of this problem with pictures and instructions
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SKnight wrote: Shendoh wrote: Papa & Mimi wrote: I have a 2005 GMC 2500HD Sierra. About one year after I bought the truck new the front end started sounding like it was coming out from under the truck.
As far as I can tell these shafts were installed as early as the '98 model GM/GMC trucks, and the engineers didn't come up with a fix until 2007
Hope this helps, Spread the word!
Shendoh What he said.
But it can't break. It's a spline engagement and frankly will get to a certain noise level and not get any worse. The splines have too much clearance that the grease takes up. The grease gets pushed to the side and the knocking starts. At one point we were supposed to take one end of the shaft loose and work it through it's full range to redistribute the grease as an interim fix.
It did start on the '99 model trucks released in '98 and has gone through several attempts at a fix. One customer I had drilled a hole in the side of the outer shell, installed a grease fitting and hit it a shot or two every time he changed his oil. I'm not recommending that officially since it is modifying a safety item, but it made him happy.
The new ones have been much better so far. I know of a few 20K plus ones that were still quiet.
The same year range mid/full size cars do it too BTW. GM really screwed the pooch on that one. After some research...
AccessMyLibrary Browse M Motor Age NOV-02
General Motors: 1997-2002 Buick, Cadillac, Chevrolet, Pontiac, Oldsmobile cars. (Factory Bulletins).(Brief Article)
Publication: Motor Age
Publication Date: 01-NOV-02
COPYRIGHT 2002 Advanstar Communications, Inc.
A clunking noise while turning the steering wheel can be caused by the steering column intermediate shaft. Sometimes the clunking is felt in the wheel. The problem is lack of lubrication on the shaft splines, causing the shaft to bind and then release. A special lubrication kit is available (grease and applicator) P/N 26098237. The bulletin includes illustrations and complete instructions for using the lube kit, but no instructions for removing the intermediate steering shaft from the vehicle.
Bulletin 01-02-32-001B......
In my nieveatay, when I first heard spline five years ago, I thought of torsion splines.
What your describing here looks more like an input shaft going through a clutch disk.
I have also heard of Sundowner1's bushing added into the mix to effect a complete repair.
My apoligies fellow's been home from work for about a half/hour now, and getting sleepy, I'll check back later..
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