Lynn Rupper
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DRILL,DRILL,DRILL, we can't burn GREEN Something-or-other in our Tow vehicles or Mortor Homes. Everything we use made out of plastic is an oil by-product. Oil will be around for the next 30 years. Lets use our own oil.
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TxTwo
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Strawfoot wrote:If people here could have save a couple thousand by buying a Chinese made RV, 90% would have done it.
Count me in the other 10% - I believe in good "quality" when it comes to an RV. 
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Strawfoot
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Lynn Rupper wrote:DRILL,DRILL,DRILL, we can't burn GREEN Something-or-other in our Tow vehicles or Mortor Homes. Everything we use made out of plastic is an oil by-product. Oil will be around for the next 30 years. Lets use our own oil.
I'm no tree-hugger, Lynn. I'm a conservative and I'm not sure I buy into the whole climate change scare. If the world is getting warmer, just maybe it's because of activity on the Sun. After all, Mars is also getting warmer and you don't see too many SUV's running around that planet.
That being said, "our own oil" only amounts to 8 million barrels per day. Currently, we are using close to 21 million barrels a day. If oil is still around in 30 years, it won't be around in large enough supplies for the entire planet. If, in ten years, the U.S. wants/needs 30 million barrels of crude oil each day and there is only 10 million barrels available, well, how are we going to work it out? I like the idea of letting somebody else figure it all out when the time comes and not planning ahead, like most everyone else, but the time will come when failing to recognize the seriousness of the problem will cause great hardship for all. I think we will look back one day and wonder why we didn't do more when we could have.
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WTTCS
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TxTwo ........ this ones for you...........
"Posted by you.....We are keeping our diesel Ford trucks but getting a 2009 VW TDI diesel Jetta Wagon, if they ever get here. They pass the all state (yes - even CA) standards. Seen varying degrees of claims of mpg, but should be @45 mpg hwy. I also wonder why the U.S. can't have the same high mpg diesels as the rest of the world - guess it is the CA standards that killed the diesels here in U.S. Next year several mfgs will come out with their new "clean diesel" technology to meet all state standards. ""
And above you say ..............."Strawfoot wrote:
Stated by another:
"If people here could have save a couple thousand by buying a Chinese made RV, 90% would have done it."
Then you reply................
Count me in the other 10% - I believe in good "quality" when it comes to an RV.
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Question for ya........Where are VWs made and who owns their company? Are do just rvs count on "Made in America"?
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TxTwo
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Wow WTTCS - what a memory you have. Well in truth - we have our third New Horizons RV - made in Junction City, Kansas. We have had - I cannot count how many Ford Diesel pickups - because we each trade in for a new one every year - two new ones each year. We have 3 American made Jeeps and one old ranch Chevy pickup, 2 John Deere Tractors and one International (American made) Tractor - not to mention many American made implements for both. We produce both oil and gas on our ranch - the American way.
We need our American made diesel trucks for pulling our American made RV and for hauling our American cattle, hay, natural resources, etc. We need our American jeeps to get around our ranch and for hunting - and because we live 35 miles from town and what with the cost of diesel today - we decided we needed to cut back on our fuel expenditures somewhat (it takes a lot of diesel fuel to farm and ranch) - and get a better mileage vehicle for simple "commuting" - so we ordered a 2009 VW Jetta - TDI Diesel - which gets 40 -45 mpg highway. It is made in Mexico (our neighbor)-and the company is owned by a German Mfg. We asked our local Ford dealer - from whom we buy all of our trucks for a car with that much gas mileage - and he said that unfortunately Ford had given him nothing to offer in mileage comparison - even though American Mfgs do make cars they sell in Europe that get way more than that in gas/fuel mileage.
So - I guess in answer to your question - we look for "quality" first - be it American or otherwise - and VW makes "quality" - fuel efficient vehicles that get good mileage. They have always made diesels and sold them in America. We both got through college and law school driving VW Beetles (though not diesels).
I believe that American Mfgs will make good mileage cars in the future - even diesels - they are just behind the curve AGAIN and so will lose sales initially to European and Asian Mfgs, but will catch up. It is called free trade and capitalism and it is what drives the economic engines of the world. America just needs to delve deep into its innovative and technological expertise and it will surpass all again - in the meantime a little competition never hurt anyone, in my opinion.
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larry barnhart
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jlawless wrote:And yet 1 gallon of gas is still $4.39 here in Anchorage? Same as when oil was $150/barrel.
Will you get oil money this year? I don't know much but don't folks from Alaska always get this? However I understand your comment.
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ol Bombero-JC
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TxTwo -
My American Made '85 Ford Diesel was made (at least assembled) in Canada.
My American Made '05 Dodge Diesel likewise was assembled in Sautillo, Mexico.
Try to find "Made in America" parts for your trucks & tractors (etc.)-
starting from the ground up (tires), LOL!
Do you watch TV?
How about the computer, monitor and other "stuff" you used to post here?
Besides purchasing Made in China "things" -
Interesting program the other night about just how much money China has
invested in the USA. Yikes!
Back to the oil - be nice if ALL oil produced in the US was limited to sale as refined product/s in the US market! But, will never happen.
T. Boone may have something! (Besides a lot of money)
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TxTwo
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ol Bombero-JC - I agree!
I will stipulate to everything you said. It was never my contention otherwise, you are right - almost nothing is wholly made in the U.S. anymore. I was just answering the previous poster who questioned my buying a VW Jetta - when I had earlier stated that I would not be one to buy an RV made in China just because it was cheaper - but of course again you are right there too, even my New Horizons RV - made in Junction City, Kansas - probably has many parts imported from China and elsewhere. You cannot get away from that today, all you can do is buy the best "quality" product you can find - and "try" and get your money's worth, wherever it is made - but still we do "try" to buy from American manufacturers if possible - using quality more than price as our criteria.
And yes - even VW is building a plant here in the U.S. - Toyota certainly found it was good business to make their vehicles here. You undoubtably will see more and more foreign companies buying up American companies or building their manufacturing plants here in the future.
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enblethen
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"American made" must be including all of North and South America.
Much of the big three is made in Brazil and Mexico. Maybe final assembly in the US, but hardly US made.
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JJBIRISH
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Lynn Rupper wrote:DRILL,DRILL,DRILL, we can't burn GREEN Something-or-other in our Tow vehicles or Mortor Homes. Everything we use made out of plastic is an oil by-product. Oil will be around for the next 30 years. Lets use our own oil.
YES, YES, YES, rescind the thousands of leases held and unused, and give them to companies that intend to DRILL, DRILL, DRILL…
that would be a really great start...
Love my mass produced, entry level, built by Lazy American Workers, Hornet
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