Polishnurse
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Dieselgem wrote:These are two separate issues. I just called Penn Dot to be sure before I posted.
Yes, Your vehicle must be registered for the correct weight.
No, you do not need a CDL if you are driving or towing an RV used solely for recreational and non-commercial purposes. It does not matter if it is greater than 10,000 lbs.
Car trailers, equipment haulers and the likes do come under a commercial classification.
Are they two separate issues ? A car on a trailer with decals, and sponsors, or not registered looking prime with built up this and that for a show, isn't a commercial endeavor.
What I was implying is simply that because your vehicle is privately owned, doesn't necessarily give it the protection of that when using it on a commercial endeavor. So those vehicles towing to the track are technically commercial regulated.
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RetiredbutWorking
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Properly licensed drivers that are safely operating properly registered vehicle combinations do not get tickets.
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VintageRacer
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Ha! I thought that excerpt was clear and easy to read, which probably says more about the contracts I have to read on a daily basis than anything else...
Ontario Canada has had these same laws on the books, with some differences, and they from time to time enforce them. Lots of racers get caught. We don't have CDL's, just license classifications, the rules on GVW are about the same. We have to add the weight of the trailer to the truck if the trailer is over roughly 6200 lbs, and then the truck has to stop at all weigh stations, driver has to do daily inspections and log books, just like a commercial driver, but there are some exemptions for personal use pickup trucks (which don't include DRW, as I understand it, or over class 3).
Anyway - the loop hole is if your "truck" or trailer is an RV, you can be exempt. A truck with a truck camper is classed as an RV, so it's exempt. I went out and bought a TC just so that I didn't have to register my truck as a commercial vehicle and do all the inspection/log books stuff, because my trailer is usually over the weight limit. Good reason to RV in a TC, I say!
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gasbag
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RetiredbutWorking wrote:Properly licensed drivers that are safely operating properly registered vehicle combinations do not get tickets.
Those were my thoughts but I didn't post them because I knew I would get slammed. You are very brave.........
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69RoadRunner
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gasbag wrote:RetiredbutWorking wrote:Properly licensed drivers that are safely operating properly registered vehicle combinations do not get tickets.
Those were my thoughts but I didn't post them because I knew I would get slammed. You are very brave.........
The problem is you need to know what each state considers properly licensed and registered.
You need to know the length restrictions.
If I tow my Road Runner, which I CANNOT race for money because it's a convertible without a roll cage faster than 13.5 in the 1/4, and a cop says I must be racing for money, I have to go to court to prove my innocence.
I'm not slamming anyone. The problem is that these United States have 50 different interpretations of what you can and can't do. Within each state, the law could be enforced differently depending on the cop.
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mikhen
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69RoadRunner wrote:Dieselgem wrote:These are two seperate issues. I just called Penn Dot to be sure before I posted.
Yes, Your vehicle must be registered for the correct weight.
No, you do not need a CDL if you are driving or towing an RV used solely for recreational and non-commercial purposes. It does not matter if it is greater than 10,000 lbs.
Car trailers, equipment haulers and the likes do come under a commercial classification.
I just found this on the PennDOT web site.
http://www.dmv.state.pa.us/pdotforms/fact_sheets/fs-cdl.pdf
Commercial motor vehicles do not include:
a) implements of husbandry;
b) any motor home or recreational trailer operated solely for personal use; or
c) motorized construction equipment, including, but not limited to, motorscrapers, backhoes,
motorgraders, compactors, excavators, tractors, trenchers and bulldozers.
According to part a), a woman can drive a vehicle over 26000 pounds if she's looking for a mate. :laugh:
If I tow my car on a trailer, I'm commercial, but if I flat tow, what would they say?
They cannot expect weekend racers and car show participants to get CDLs. This is a cash grab.
Wouldn't construction equipment be commercial equipment??
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I think that means you don't need a CDL to drive a backhoe.
So, if I decide to trailer my Gremlin (big blower, sidepipes, cage, drag slicks) to the track for run-what-ya-brung night with my Caddy, that's commercial? What about if Liz decided to do the same with her Grand National?
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Polishnurse
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mikhen wrote:Asked:
c) motorized construction equipment, including, but not limited to, motorscrapers, backhoes,
motorgraders, compactors, excavators, tractors, trenchers and bulldozers.
I believe you will find construction equipment are not road legal. In most states they do require a registration if they are even registered.
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gasbag
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69RoadRunner wrote:
The problem is you need to know what each state considers properly licensed and registered.
You need to know the length restrictions.
But that would be your responsibility. I realize that my requirements are a bit less confusing, since I only tow a toad behind our coach, but I went to a lot of expense for equipment and did quite a bit of research to make sure where I travel I am legal.
The first thing a judge says is: "ignorance is not an excuse".
I am also not calling you ignorant. You are probably a lot smarter than I am. I am referring to not knowing the laws relating to what I am driving as to where I am. Nothing more.
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webecreekin
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What about those of us who live in states where we don't register trucks by the weight we expect to carry or pull? Nor that have special licensing requirements for non-commercial operation?
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