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What a waste of fuel?
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I believe it was the last major 'shootout' that pickuptruck.com did, where they tested each of the big 1 ton diesel dually trucks in a shootout, as well as each of the 3/4 ton gasser trucks. Have to say, THAT was one of the best shootouts ever, and came the closest I've ever seen to being a truly objective test of all 3 brands.
Far too often these shootouts suffer some 'bias' by one of the automakers shall we say, 'influencing' the outcome somewhat, making the results hard to believe. That last pickuptruck.com shootout, is one of the most fair, objective shootouts I've seen.
And, the results were pretty much as expected: Ford having the most powerful gasser engine (V10) won most of the 3/4 ton towing tests. GM having the most powerful diesel (360 hp Duramax IIRC), pretty much walked away with the diesel competition.
A shootout between older technology pickups, vs the newer ones? LOL, like already said, seems like it'd be a waste of time, 'cause you know going in that the newer technology would always win out.
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Having had a 4 bbl 454 along wit a TBI 454 in a few rigs, along with a vortec 350 currently, it pulls everybit at strong or stronger than the 454's I have owned. Along with the TBI and 2bbl 350's I have driven. I also had a tbi and vortec 4.3 V6, the vortec was much more powerfull too.
Not sure that a shoot out would need to be done. I think one could probably look up old mag articles and ave 3-4 times in the 1/4, 0-60 etc, along with ave 3-4 of the most recent mag articles about the new iron, and you would save a bit of fuel, maybe some time, granted not as much fun, or is that PHUN!
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NGRRFan
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willald wrote:A shootout between older technology pickups, vs the newer ones? LOL, like already said, seems like it'd be a waste of time, 'cause you know going in that the newer technology would always win out. A shootout like this would only serve to embarrass us owners of older trucks. However I'd bet that most owners of older trucks have a free and clear title. What about the owners of the newer trucks?
Now a true shootout would be the new technology against Supercharged's truck.
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NGRRFan wrote:A shootout like this would only serve to embarrass us owners of older trucks. However I'd bet that most owners of older trucks have a free and clear title. What about the owners of the newer trucks?
Agreed!!
That makes my truck a winner to me, not having a $500 a month truck payment. I can buy lots of fuel for the thirsty old 360 with the money I save on payments!
But I would find a detailed comparison of "old versus new" an interesting read.
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surveyorjp wrote:NGRRFan wrote:A shootout like this would only serve to embarrass us owners of older trucks. However I'd bet that most owners of older trucks have a free and clear title. What about the owners of the newer trucks?
Agreed!!
That makes my truck a winner to me, not having a $500 a month truck payment. I can buy lots of fuel for the thirsty old 360 with the money I save on payments!
But I would find a detailed comparison of "old versus new" an interesting read.
yeah thats what i was thinking, just that it would be an interesting read. and i really love trucks and its kind of hard to find stats and info on the older trucks, say from the 90's. we have a 97 f-super duty dumptruck and on the engine it says 225 horsepower. I have searched many times to find out when navistar made a 7.3 with 225 horse and have yet to find anything on it.
And yes i loved the pickuptruck.com test they did. If anyone knows any links the trucks test earlier than 2003 i would love to read them. thanks!
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NGRRFan
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Blazer man wrote:just that it would be an interesting read. Why would it be an interesting read? 
What you are proposing is just like saying "I'd like to compare the cars of the 60's or 70's with the cars of the 40's and 50's" (assuming a span of 20 years).
Things change drastically in a 20 year span. Vehicles "lose" weight as more modern metals and plastics were used in the newer vehicles and framing changed.
In order to make it a more fairer comparison you would have to equalize somethings, like horse races equalize the weights of the jockeys.
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NGRRFan wrote:Blazer man wrote:just that it would be an interesting read. Why would it be an interesting read?
What you are proposing is just like saying "I'd like to compare the cars of the 60's or 70's with the cars of the 40's and 50's" (assuming a span of 20 years).
Things change drastically in a 20 year span. Vehicles "lose" weight as more modern metals and plastics were used in the newer vehicles and framing changed.
In order to make it a more fairer comparison you would have to equalize somethings, like horse races equalize the weights of the jockeys.
You don't think it would be interesting to see how the top of the line of 10 years ago would stack up against today's best?
I think it would be interesting to see how far we've come. maybe im just weird but i like that stuff
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NGRRFan wrote:Blazer man wrote:just that it would be an interesting read. Why would it be an interesting read?
What you are proposing is just like saying "I'd like to compare the cars of the 60's or 70's with the cars of the 40's and 50's" (assuming a span of 20 years).
Things change drastically in a 20 year span. Vehicles "lose" weight as more modern metals and plastics were used in the newer vehicles and framing changed.
In order to make it a more fairer comparison you would have to equalize somethings, like horse races equalize the weights of the jockeys.
I can't speak for the OP, but to me it would just be interesting to see the differences in different performance categories between old versus new. And perhaps, in some categories the differences wouldn't be as great as you may think. I would be willing to bet in the fuel economy category, a 10 to 15 year old diesel engine would fare much better than the current offerings. Sure they will be slower, but speed isn't everything. 
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I'll take fuel economy over speed anyday. I'm guessing the first gen Cummins were some of the best in pulling and fuel economy.
Who needs to go 80MPH up a 45% grade?
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