Hamops
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Gruffy wrote:Actually MTO may not be your problem. My insurance came back with fine print....
"Does not cover trailers over 4500kg" or words to that effect.
You can bet the insurance company will use the sticker and NOT road weights if there is a claim.
Are you saying that the insurance company won't cover your truck if you're towing a trailer over 4500Kg?
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BruceStarkey
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Perhaps it's time to bring this thread back to life. I recently completed the test for the 'AR' or to be precise the 'AMZXR' - "A" commercial license, "M" motorcyle endorsement, "Z" Air brake endorsement, "X" gotta wear glasses, and the "R" restricted to a trailer under 45' in length and trailers without air brakes.
The thing is, while creating this new license they didn't revise the written test or the circle check procedure required by the commercial guys, which,... yep, you guessed it; includes all the stuff related to air brake equipped trailers that you're now restricted from towing, go figure! Typical Ontario bureaucratese at work.
As explained in an earlier post you must unhook and re-hook in a prescribed manner and also must reverse the unit between some cones laid out so that your approach has a slight degree of difficulty, nothing that you wouldn't face backing into the typical "off-side" site. With the driven test assuring you know not to shift gears while crossing railway tracks etc., Moving back into the right lane as soon as you can after making a left turn into a multi lane road, all the usual 'common sense' stuff you've already been doing as holders of a "G" license.
Today is just the tomorrow you worried about yesterday!
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Gruffy
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Hamops wrote:Gruffy wrote:Actually MTO may not be your problem. My insurance came back with fine print....
"Does not cover trailers over 4500kg" or words to that effect.
You can bet the insurance company will use the sticker and NOT road weights if there is a claim.
Are you saying that the insurance company won't cover your truck if you're towing a trailer over 4500Kg?
Last year that's what the new policy said. No tows over 4500Kg. Don't have the exact words in front of me.
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kah68
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Well if my current AZ does not cut it then they can write me up, I'm not playing their B.S. game of get this test and that test, they will most likely change the rules in a year or two anyhow, heck they already did, until this 'new' law came out the MTO didn't recongnise the weight of a towed R.V. in regard to licensing weight of the tow vehicle.
A 26000 lb limit with a G/RV (my own idea for the name) with a written and driven test set up just for RV'ers would make more sense in my mind, and the MTO should be watching MFG's weight ratings on tow vehicles, as it stands as long as you have enough license on your plate and it's a dually and you have an A you're good to go, never mind you may be way over the trucks R.G.V.W. or C.R.G.V.W.
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BruceStarkey
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kah68: You're right on. I could have been towing my 38 footer forever with my old Duramax without the MTO giving me a second glance even though I'd be way over the trucks capacity. As soon as I hooked my International up for safer towing, the spotlights came on and now it's the refrain; "your truck is over 4500KG's so you need a CVOR, oh yeah your trailer is over 4500Kg's so you need an A. my combined weights are still in the neighbourhood of a 23,500lb Motorhome towing a 9,900lb trailer with a "G" license but the MTO in it's wisdom says the skill set required is different, go figure.
An RV specific license would answer all demands with my combo probably still requiring careful scrutiny and testing but this nonsense of CVOR would go away. My truck bobtail is much lighter than any motorhome, but them and those humongous tow trucks are exempt. That's just plain nuts! Oh yeah did I mention that the truck is exempt from all CDL, CVOR requirements if it is hooked to a "personal use house trailer". The ministry answered every question I posed to
them with the refrain Ontario's licensing is weight based with NO exceptions to which I responded that's simply bullcr--, and listed the two examples above for starters.
I understand the problem they faced with the folks who were "in-commerce" with pick-ups towing horse trailers, but this nonsense of a one size fits all and RV's must subscribe to a commercial standard is just idiocy that will discourage folks from using a more suitable tow vehicle to pull a large fiver or toyhauler.
This A/R was not designed because or for the RV'er but rather for the guy who would show up with a pick-up truck towing a 20 foot car hauler trailer to get his "A" license that the ministry insisted he needed to operate "in-commerce" then go home and jump behind the wheel of his Semi hooked to a 53' reefer with full air all round.
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