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siliconjunkie

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Posted: 08/25/08 02:00pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

mowermech wrote:

Do you want to know actual LAW, or common opinion?
The LAW varies by State or Province. Nearly ALL States and Provinces require TRAILER brakes for any TRAILER over a certain weight. Some specify unladen weight, some specify GVW. Many States specifically do NOT define a towed vehicle as a "trailer".
Many States and Provinces do not require a braking system on a towed VEHICLE. Some that do have a "Performance Standard", where if you can stop your rig within XX feet from XX miles per hour, you don't need brakes. If you can't meet or exceed the standard, you need brakes. Some States that require braking systems in a towed vehicle require that the system "be approved by the Administrator". I have no idea if any available systems have such approval. One would think it would be included in their advertising if they were "Approved for use in North Carolina", or wherever.
It is, of course, up to you to know the laws in YOUR State or Province, and in EVERY State or Province you enter. Reciprocity agreements may not apply.
Now, common opinion is another thing entirely. There are those who state that only a complete fool would tow a vehicle without some kind of braking system, and doing so will sow death and destruction in a wide swath behind you, beside you and possibly in front of you. This, of course, is totally ridiculous, considering all the towed vehicles that have been on the roads for many years with very few breakaways or other accidents.
There have been several reported incidents of braking systems failing and damaging the vehicle in which they were installed. That is somewhat worrisome to me.
I plan on towing my Jeep on a trailer. No problem with brakes, it has them on both axles. No problem with a breakaway system, it is installed. The trailer cost less than one of the new "high tech" towing and braking systems, and I can carry any vehicle on it, up to the size/weight limits of the trailer
Ultimately, if you are in compliance with the LAW wherever you go, the rest is up to you.
Remember, even if you have the best, most expensive braking system you can buy, if the State you are in requires approval, and your system isn't approved, you are ILLEGAL, just as if you didn't have any braking system at all!
It's a jungle out there, be safe.


Can you cite one example of a trailer law that is not reciprocal? I have never heard of one, if you are legal in the state it is registered in, you are legal everywhere and I have never seen anything to the contrary. Can you imagine the mess if we had to check the laws in each and every state we visited? Half the popups on the road couldn't go anywhere because they are under their home states requirement for brakes but not under another states requirement. Perfect example is TX and WV. My PU did not require brakes in TX but did in WV, does this mean I have to swap axles or add brakes to travel to WV?

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Posted: 08/25/08 02:13pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

When do you need trailer/toad brakes?

My motorhome weighs about 32,000#. My towed vehicle weighs about 4,500# and has an auxiliary braking system installed.

I needed the toad brakes when I driving on an urban interstate highway and someone entered from a ramp and then made a dead stop about 250' in front of me. I managed to halt the motorhome within about 10' of the stopped vehicle.

If the motorhome had to stop the combined weight of 36,500#, it would have taken an additional stopping distance of about 30-50' according to my calculations.

I cannot say how accurate the calculations are; but, I was really happy to have the toad braking system.

Ron

* This post was edited 08/25/08 04:10pm by Ron Gratz *

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Another factor in towing a vehicle is how much weight can your MH take at the hitch. This would not be a vertical force but the horizontal force of toad if you try to stop without brakes. I crawled under my rig and noticed that the frame on the chassis has an extension welded to it and then the hitch is bolted to the extension. I feel better having brakes on my toad. I don't even want to think of the forces on the hitch, tow bar, baseplate, etc.; if I did not have brakes. There may actually be restrictions published my your chassis manufacturer.


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SemperFiCop wrote:

"Hypothetical Example"

> When do you need trailer/toad brakes?

>>> Whenever you tow a trailer/toad...


I'm not meaning to start a flame war or rehash old ground, I couldn't find a FAQ in this forum so I asked. I'm seeking out what the parameters guidance for a variety of options I'm concidering in the future (if I get this then I'll have to concider that sort of thing). I'll seek guideance somewhere where it will cause less arguing.

BTW I have a little utility trailer that I use to haul brush etc. to my local recycle depot with my Subaru sedan, it doesn't have have brakes and it has current plates (therefore presumably meets local licence requirements) as appears to be the case for the majority of set ups I see at the depot.

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Posted: 08/25/08 02:51pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

When I bought my 10 x 6 covered utility trailer, it had no brakes.
Being like most, we tend to overload the units.
I insisted on adding electric brakes to the trailer and the controller in the cab.
With the camper on and the loaded trailer behind, I feel much better if I have to make a hard stop.
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Posted: 08/25/08 02:56pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Hi mcewena,

This document might be helpful.

Canada Supplemental Braking Requirements by Province. It was compiled by a leading RV group there, or so the publication states.

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Moved to Dinghy Towing forum from Towing.

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mcewera,

presumably is as dangerous a word as assume. They can both get you in a lot of trouble (-:

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mcewena wrote:

SemperFiCop wrote:

"Hypothetical Example"

> When do you need trailer/toad brakes?

>>> Whenever you tow a trailer/toad...


I'm not meaning to start a flame war or rehash old ground, I couldn't find a FAQ in this forum so I asked. I'm seeking out what the parameters guidance for a variety of options I'm concidering in the future (if I get this then I'll have to concider that sort of thing). I'll seek guideance somewhere where it will cause less arguing.


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Posted: 08/25/08 05:36pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Mandalay Parr wrote:

During an emergency.
Yep, and as long as you can predict when you'll need them, there's no need to put them on until just before the emergency.

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