mcewena
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siliconjunkie wrote:I would bet that reciprocity is assumed unless otherwise stated and with the possible exception of pulling doubles, it is patently absurd to expect visitors from other states to modify their legal vehicles to that states standards before visiting there.
It's possible, but that would imply that whenever your state/province does a roadside safety inspection (usually happens after a flurry flying transport wheels) that they need to be experts in the safety laws of every juristiction of transport that might be caught in the sweep.
My bet is that they'll charge you with whatever the local wording of "unsafe vehicle/trailer" based on their local laws. If they deem a vehicle "safe" they'll likely overlook the fact that it might not meet the letter of local laws.
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mowermech
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siliconjunkie wrote:So, nobody can actually cite an example of non reciprocal laws.
I would bet that reciprocity is assumed unless otherwise stated and with the possible exception of pulling doubles, it is patently absurd to expect visitors from other states to modify their legal vehicles to that states standards before visiting there.
If you REALLY want to know, you might try asking your local law enforcement people about reciprocity, or try researching the issue yourself. I am not all that worried about it, so I have no incentive to do the research for you.
Again, don't accept the words printed on an internet forum as gospel. Do the research, find out from people who truly know, or go to the library and look it up for yourself. THEN, if you are feeling generous, come back here and tell the world what you discovered, citing the applicable laws and codes.
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Another example of different rules for combination vehicles in different states is overall length.If you are legal in your state at 75' you will be illegal in a State that is 65'. No reciprocity applies.
I don't have the RCW at hand but Washington State specifically forbids double towing with a RV. I checked. I then built a swivelwheel type "load carrying vehicle extension" and Washington State law enforcement says it is legal. No registration or license required, it is part of the vehicle it is attached to.
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siliconjunkie wrote:Can you cite one example of a trailer law that is not reciprocal? I have never heard of one, if you are legal in the state it is registered in, you are legal everywhere and I have never seen anything to the contrary. Can you imagine the mess if we had to check the laws in each and every state we visited? Half the popups on the road couldn't go anywhere because they are under their home states requirement for brakes but not under another states requirement. Perfect example is TX and WV. My PU did not require brakes in TX but did in WV, does this mean I have to swap axles or add brakes to travel to WV? There is NO reciprocity between states on brake laws like there is on drivers licenses. You must be legal in ALL states you travel through not just your home state.
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jauguston wrote:Another example of different rules for combination vehicles in different states is overall length.If you are legal in your state at 75' you will be illegal in a State that is 65'. No reciprocity applies.
I don't have the RCW at hand but Washington State specifically forbids double towing with a RV. I checked. I then built a swivelwheel type "load carrying vehicle extension" and Washington State law enforcement says it is legal. No registration or license required, it is part of the vehicle it is attached to.
WOW!, What a great idea. Is there any way I could get some more information on how you have the wheels swiveling and how you have it hooked to the Jeep? Also, do you have the wheels sprung at all and approximately how much load do you estimate on the rear trailer wheels?
For those of us using a small light boat, this would be an ideal solution. We have a 14' inflatable, and getting it from a campsite to a launch point is really sporty. I have a very light launching trailer that is not road capable, but I can use it for a mile or so at less than 10mph. Not a good solution but up to now I didn't have any other ideas.
Great job, and any info would be much appreciated.
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JUrban wrote:Mandalay Parr wrote:During an emergency. Yep, and as long as you can predict when you'll need them, there's no need to put them on until just before the emergency.
John Carries through to other things too so I'm prepared ALL the time to be safe and protect my loved ones!
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Deen
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PopBeavers wrote:Polishnurse wrote: A towed vehicale is not considered a trailer.
I disagree. A MH towing a car in California is subject to the maximum speed of 55 mph, while a MH not towing anything can do 65 or 70, depending on where you are. Same as WA but that does NOT mean that a motorized vehicle being towed is a "trailer". A trailer is designed and built NOT to have any motive power, unlike a car. That's the difference and was so stated in WA law although they may have changed it in the last year or so
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Deen
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jauguston wrote:Another example of different rules for combination vehicles in different states is overall length.If you are legal in your state at 75' you will be illegal in a State that is 65'. No reciprocity applies.
I don't have the RCW at hand but Washington State specifically forbids double towing with a RV. I checked. I then built a swivelwheel type "load carrying vehicle extension" and Washington State law enforcement says it is legal. No registration or license required, it is part of the vehicle it is attached to.
Yep, you're legal under WA law, but other states may not see it that way! Especially when they measure your overall length.
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siliconjunkie
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mowermech wrote:siliconjunkie wrote:So, nobody can actually cite an example of non reciprocal laws.
I would bet that reciprocity is assumed unless otherwise stated and with the possible exception of pulling doubles, it is patently absurd to expect visitors from other states to modify their legal vehicles to that states standards before visiting there.
If you REALLY want to know, you might try asking your local law enforcement people about reciprocity, or try researching the issue yourself. I am not all that worried about it, so I have no incentive to do the research for you.
Again, don't accept the words printed on an internet forum as gospel. Do the research, find out from people who truly know, or go to the library and look it up for yourself. THEN, if you are feeling generous, come back here and tell the world what you discovered, citing the applicable laws and codes.
The problem there is you are telling me to establish that something doesn't exsist. Which, is near impossible. Would be much easier to eastablish that there is a law requiring out of state cars to meet vehicle and equipment requirements.
And, I am not the one stating that XYZ is the law. With the exception of doubles, I have and would tow anywhere in the US with my setup that is legal where it is registered with no concern at all about getting stopped in another state and getting a ticket for not haveing device XYZ that they require. I personally think it's a non issue and the only way you would ever get cited for it is mouthing off to the LEO that pulled you over. Even then, I don't think it would survive in court unless there was a law specifically excluding that from reciprocity.
So, that is why I am asking if anyone is aware of a law negating reciprocity for things like trailer brakes and other vehicle equipment. So far, nobody is coming forward with that, and I suspect that is because there is no such law on the books.
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siliconjunkie wrote:
The problem there is you are telling me to establish that something doesn't exsist. Which, is near impossible. Would be much easier to eastablish that there is a law requiring out of state cars to meet vehicle and equipment requirements.
No, I am not TELLING you to do anything. I am RECOMMENDING that if YOU want to find out about Reciprocity Agreements, YOU do the research, YOU ask your local law enforcement people, YOU find out what the reciprocity agreements between YOUR State and other States cover. The agreements DO exist, and they DO tell exactly what laws are granted reciprocity in YOUR State. Then, when you find out exactly how the agreements work, and what they cover, IF you are feeling generous, you may return here and tell the world of your discoveries.
If you don't wish to be bothered, so be it.
I am not going to do it for you.
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