outdoorsman2007
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geneo2004 wrote:It causes others to drive in unsafe ways and those who drive so slow should periodically pull off and allow others to drive at a reasonable speed. What is the fair answer? I agree that slower drivers should use the pull offs if going under the posted speed limit - but it is a speed limit not a speed haveto. If there is a minimum speed posted then I believe everyone has the responsibility to be above that speed or pull over to let others by.
Those who think that I should drive the speed limit or get out of the way are way more of a hazard then someone who is trying to drive safely on a winding mountain road by going 5 or 10 mph below the speed limit.
The statement that a slower driver causes others to drive in an unsafe manner is simply not a fair statement. Those driving in an unsafe manner are responsible for their own actions. If they decide they want to be unsale it is not the fault of the slower RVer in the head of the line. My 2 cents worth!
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Bumpyroad wrote:don't use Texas as an example please. those fools drive down the shoulder. they have come up behind me and acted like they expected me to move my rig onto the shoulder so they could pass easier. yep, I'm going to move over $100 K of stuff onto the shoulder so their rusted out pickup truck could get by easier. I don't think so.
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That is the law here. If you don't like it, stay in yankee land!
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RetiredbutWorking wrote:Bumpyroad wrote:don't use Texas as an example please. those fools drive down the shoulder. they have come up behind me and acted like they expected me to move my rig onto the shoulder so they could pass easier. yep, I'm going to move over $100 K of stuff onto the shoulder so their rusted out pickup truck could get by easier. I don't think so.
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That is the law here. If you don't like it, stay in Yankee land! Thanks for posting that RetiredbutWorking. That is the way we drive there and yes, I do pull our expensive rig and toad over onto the wide shoulder so others can pass, when they come up behind. Texas DOT normally keep the shoulders very clean.
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50/55 is not too slow ever IMO. Yes the person should pull off when safe. Not every turn off is wide and long enough for a large RV/truck so if they pass a few I always understand. And I don't think they need to pull off every two minutes either. If you get behind a slow vehicle for 30 minutes you might lose 3 to 5 minutes time big whoop. Try to relax and enjoy the drive people. If you needed to get there an hour earlier you should have gotten out of bed an hour earlier.
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What were the conditions like? Were you going uphill?
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Yep, us West Coasters are up now....
Here in California, the POSTED speed limit for semi's and auto's pulling trailers is 55mph. Period. CHP doesn't care if the regular traffic is going 80. If your pulling a trailer 55 is the limit. I will say that they typically don't pull over if your going 60ish - we tow at around 60mph - but there are some freeways and areas in Southern California where they do watch the speed of the semi's/trucks/trailers. We will typically "follow" the truckers - if we see them slowing WAY down we know that this is probably an area where they enforce it more so we'll drop down to the 55 mph. limit with them. We try to keep it under 65 in general and don't really care what the people behind us are doing. Before you flame - we use turnouts WHEN POSSIBLE. There are just some turnouts that are NOT friendly to the length of train we're pulling and could cause more issues than not so we skip those. When we hit a passing lane zone, we slow WAY down so ALL the cars behind us can pass us during that time.
55mph on a mountain hwy seems reasonable to me. Some of our mountain roads you'd be happy to make the posted 25mph limit  So how slow is unsafe? Friend of the family got a ticket on a freeway once for going too slow - 30mph in the slow lane on the 57 freeway. THAT'S too slow and could cause just as much of an accident as the idiot driving too fast.
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Someone above said; "No other driver should cause you or anyone else to operate their vehicle in an unsafe manner"
I say - that slow driver was NOT causing you to do anything unsafe. It is only your selfish road rage that causes YOU to do an unsafe operation. Chillout, relax, swear a little if you must but please do not do anything foolish or unsafe to yourself, your passengers and/or your fellow travellers.
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Another issue that goes along with this is if you are in very heavy traffic there is no way I would pull off due to the hazard when pulling back on the highway. Highway 65 in Arkansas continually has drivers traveling in excess of the speed limit in very heavy traffic conditions I would never pull off to allow others to pass because I might never be able to access the highway safely again. Thank goodness their is a few pass lanes (not enough) in the 2 lane sections of this highway.
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Mousefart is at it again - causing an unnecessary stink! Read the OP - where he was there is NO left lane - unless you want to have a head-on collision!
And Orgeon - 'flashing is a type if road rage? In Phoenix if you flash the wrong guy you're liable to be shot! Now that is road rage!
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I was chatting with a wise, old farmer once. He brought up a philosophical question during the discussion.
"Can I make you mad?"
I had to think on this one for a while, and answered, "Yeah, but I guess it would take a fair amount."
To which he replied, "How can I make you mad when I'm not you? I can antagonize you, but to get mad, You have to make the conscious decision to become mad. There is no way that I can make that decision for you. I can do many things that can be described as annoying, antagonizing, and frustrating, but you and only you can make the conscious choice to become angry, mad and act out. "
I think this applies very well to those that make the comment "Well he made me drive in a dangerous or stupid fashion." There is no way the other driver could have done this. YOU are the one who is making the CHOICE to drive irresponsibily. You are the one behind the wheel of your vehicle, not the driver of the vehicle ahead of you.
So, the person who decides to make a dangerous or irresponsibile move because they do not want to wait till there is a safe place to pass is the ONLY one at fault for their actions. The driver in the vehicle ahead of you at no time magically was able to pop into your drivers seat and perform any action involving the operation of your vehicle.
On most steeper grades either up or down, larger RVs/Trucks are going to go slower. For example, going up hill on Highway 58 from Eugene to Hwy 97, the speed limit is 55 mph. Once I hit the pass where the 6.5% uphill grade starts, my top speed going up that hill is going to be 30-40 mph tops. The vehicle just physically can't go any faster up that hill. The pedals already to the floor and the transmission is locked into 2nd gear. 12,000lbs of truck, camper and boat being moved down the road by a 5.9L gas engine has an upper limit as to how fast its going to climb a hill.
On that grade there are passing lanes. Pass me there. I'm not going to dump my throttle and lose my forward momentum and risk an even bigger traffic blockage or an accident up that hill so you can fly by like a fool. You'll see me, I'll be creeping along with my flashers on. There is no shoulder the vast majority of this highway, just a sheer drop off one side and a wall of rock on the other. If there's a pullout long enough for me to continue driving uphill while you pass, then I'll pull in there for as long as possible then merge back into traffic.
Here in Oregon, if you tailgate a vehicle alot or harass a vechicle ahead of you, we do have some nice Road Rage laws where we can call your license plate in and what road you're on for an LEO to pull over down the road.
Repeatively flashing headlights IS considered an act of road rage here, along with tailgating.
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