TeamSlacker
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I couldn't take the anticipation tonight either and picked one up after work. The one I got is a 'Powerwise' from checkerauto.com, picked it up at a local store for $299. Says it's rated at 3500peak and 3k cont. Has 2 standard 15/20amp outlets, and voltage gauge. Brought it home, filled with oil, filled with gas, turned the switch on and the choke, was going to pull it over slowly once to prime it and it sputtered, so 2'nd pull was a good yank and it started right up, turned off the choke and away she went.
Here's the same thing for sale online.
http://www.hayesequipment.com/powerwise_3500_generator.htm
First impression. Well considering it started on second pull we're off to a good start. Noise level.. I've never owned a gen before so I don't have much to compare to other than what I hear running at the track when I race. It's definatly not as loud as my pressure washer/lawnmower or snow blower. Like is mentioned above it has a huge muffler, and I think the exhaust is the least of the noise. Sounds like most of the noise it makes is coming from the air intake. I have a RadioShack digital sound meter I'll do some dB level checks and post my findings here.
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professor95
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Little Bill,
I think we are agreeing, just not communicating. Yes, you are correct in saying that you can draw 1,200 watts from each outlet - independently. But, since you can only plug your AC into one at a time, your single phase useable load is limited to one of the 10 amp breakers. The Pep Boys add is misleading in that respect - you cannot draw 25 amps at 110 volts from a single outlet on the NINKOTA!
Now for the ELM3000. It also has two stator windings. But, each is protected by a 15 amp breaker (not a 10 amp). The ELIM has the ability to incorporate phase reversal on one stator and put both of them in parallel by the flick of the voltage selector switch on the front. This is why you must choose either 110 out or 220 out, but cannot choose both at the same time - well, actually you could draw 110 and 220 at the same time from the 220 outlet if you use the netural wire as a center tap, you just can't use both the 20 amp rated 110 outlet and 30 amp rated 220 outlet at the same time. In the 110 volt mode, current is drawn through both 15 amp breakers in parallel, giving overcurrent protection that exceeds the generators output (30 amps total - not really a good idea, but that is how they did it).
If you want to run the AC on your RV and you have a 30 amp 120 volt service for your RV, I believe you made the best choice with the ELM3000 unit.
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LittleBill
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yours doesn't do 240? though does it? i needed the 240 incase the power in the house went out, our well is on 240, also i noticed yours is 73db, mine is 67db, thats a considerable difference for a engine that looks identical to mine, well c what happens, good luck with your purchase, im quite excited about mine
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LittleBill
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professor thanks for the info, didn't know anything about phase reversal, but i completely understand what you are saying, let me ask one question though, they are allowing over 20 amps 30 in fact on a recpictle only rated at 20? isn't this a problem? i personally don't care seeing as how i will never get over 20 but, u can see the concern
also one more question how sure are you on the phase reversal? because if you look at the circuit breaker switches, each one is label 110v, which mean they are independent, but on the bottom in the middle it shows 220v, which gives me the assumption that both breakers have to be on to get the 220v, which makes sense to me, now what happens if i only flip one up on the 110v setting? i only get 15 amps out of both recepticals? then flip the next one and i get 30, ill test it tommorow with a volt meter and see if it kills one recepticale when i shut off a breaker, i hope it doesn't cus i would love if it does what you say it does
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Professor i think you are correct, i test teh generator with a continuity test off one of the 220v terminals, with the 110 terminals, i have continuity even with one breaker down which supports your suspucions that they are parrellel, i will test this theory again tommorow when i actually run the machine, man i am excited
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lol driving you guyz nutz here, the first circuit breaker one the left, is the one that goes into phase reversal, flipping the 220v switch kills the continuity between the 2
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looking for a generator
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LittleBill
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professor, i saw in the owners manual there is a wheel kit option? you wouldn't happen to know the price for it would you?
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armys2
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Quote:I looked at the sound levels for these. At 7m, the EU3000is is 58dB while the ELIM is 67dB. My understanding of the dB scale is that 9dB is a significant difference in volume. Can someone who knows the math confirm this?
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think I read that for every 3db increase on the meter the sound level to the human ear is actually double, which would make a 9db higher rated genset quite a bit louder, assuming these ratings were found with similar loads and at similar distances. So - in other words- a 61 db rated genset would be twice as loud as a 58 db rated genset,a 64 twice that of a 61....
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NorCalDuner
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I bought one similar to the elim off e bay last october. It says it is 3500 watt and continious at 3000 watts. At first I was very happy with it, it was really quiet and ran just about anything in the garage I could find to plug in it. Then I plugged in my trailer, it ran the a/c with a little hesitation at start up, but ran it with no problems. Then I added a micro to my trailer and went out camping, it would not run the micro at all, then the fridge would not even run. The funny thing is that I run the frigde off propane all the time, but when I would run the generator the fridge would shut off and show a fault on the display. Everything runs fine when I plug it in at home to the same plug my washer is on, I am assuming is a 20amp. So I think I figured it out the last couple of weeks. My generator has two plugs, both 110v, one is a 15amp household plug and the other is a funky 30amp twist lock that I can not find any where. My buddy at the rv place said I should have 30amps to run my trailer correctly or the circuit boards wont read the power right. He said since I am plugging in to the 15amp plug, it is not enough power. So I just bought a new 30amp twist lock plug and I am going to change the one out on the generator because I cant find it. Hopefully this will give me a 30amp service that I need, but both of the plugs run off 1 30amp breaker right now so am I going to accomplish any thing by doing this. He also said these cheap generators put out dirty power, so that could be the problem also. SORRY FOR THE LONG POST BUT I HOPE SOMEONE CAN HELP ME, THANKS
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77charger
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Quote:My thinking on this is like buying a television set for pennies on the dollar and when it goes bad just throw it in the trash. You will find it cheaper to replace than repair.
a friend of mine was going to buy a coleman 3k i told him not worth it for the headache(long story short)told him go to kragen autoparts buy the under 300 dollar import gen if it fails after a certain time throw it away get another(will probably outlast the coleman anyways).We got to glamis to my surprise it had a large muffler seemd to be very honda like and was defintely quiter than my generac 3550 watter and not much louder than another friends onan on his motorhome.I say worth the money was impressed myself was quiter than another friends generac (built in on a toyhauler)
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Quote:I couldn't take the anticipation tonight either and picked one up after work. The one I got is a 'Powerwise' from checkerauto.com, picked it up at a local store for $299. Says it's rated at 3500peak and 3k cont. Has 2 standard 15/20amp outlets, and voltage gauge. Brought it home, filled with oil, filled with gas, turned the switch on and the choke, was going to pull it over slowly once to prime it and it sputtered, so 2'nd pull was a good yank and it started right up, turned off the choke and away she went.
Here's the same thing for sale online.
http://www.hayesequipment.com/powerwise_3500_generator.htm
First impression. Well considering it started on second pull we're off to a good start. Noise level.. I've never owned a gen before so I don't have much to compare to other than what I hear running at the track when I race. It's definatly not as loud as my pressure washer/lawnmower or snow blower. Like is mentioned above it has a huge muffler, and I think the exhaust is the least of the noise. Sounds like most of the noise it makes is coming from the air intake. I have a RadioShack digital sound meter I'll do some dB level checks and post my findings here. that is the same one my buddy got the one you asked about.like i saud not bad for 300 i might pick one up also for when i dont need my air compresor when i go to the desert.
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