kihutson
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Very nicely put, Julie. Just think of the Camp Chef DOs as a starter DO until the bug hits. When the bug does hit, no expense is too much for a hobby that one loves. If the bug does not hit, well then, a lot of expense has not been put out and the cook still has a quality product.
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nohandles wrote:I've been around foundries for 32 years. There is no lead in iron and I'm sure it won't mix in the casting process.
I have a number of Chinese pieces and in fact some cook better than the US pieces. NOW understand I would much rather buy American but not everything is made here that I wanted.
I've seen patents for iron-lead alloy applications but am not familiar with any actual applications. That said I suspect the real issue, whether of Chinese origin or elsewhere, is what controls are in place to prevent marketing of contaminated cookware made from scrap iron not properly sorted. The web link points to a trade journal article on radioactive contamination of scrap metal (mostly in US).
Anyone remember the uranium contaminated Fiesta ware?
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buy lodge, it rocks
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SWMO
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Quote:the folks in our area simply cannot afford the Lodge ovens. We carry a superior oven at a reasonable price.
That might work for your place of business Julie, but the bottom line is we are talking about something that is amortized over decades, not days or months. In many areas people can't afford things because the good jobs have gone overseas. If I pay $15 more for a Lodge today it cost me only $1.50 a year for the next 10, so given the fact all my ovens are over 10 years old, they have been a good investment for me.
I don't buy the American company and sales bit, sorry, but from the ore, possibly from Duluth, to the sales person, my lodge purchase benefited Americans start to finish, probably some Minnesotans.
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Mrs. Mik
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SWMO wrote:The bottom line is we are talking about something that is amortized over decades, not days or months.
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If I pay $15 more for a Lodge today it cost me only $1.50 a year for the next 10, so given the fact all my ovens are over 10 years old, they have been a good investment for me.
I didn't realize that Lodge were so expensive that they now offer a ten year payment plan. When did that start? 
Of course, that is said with tongue firmly planted in cheek!
I'm very happy that you are able to afford the immediate purchase of a very expensive DO and can justify that cost over time. That's awesome. Unfortunately, many these days simply cannot do that.
There are many folks living paycheck to paycheck and an extra $15 or $20 or $50 can make the difference between milk or gas for the week or going without those items. Those folks are clipping coupons just to save 50 cents. They're certainly not going to be able to justify a very expensive DO purchase by thinking that it's only costing them $5.00 or so per year over ten years when it means that they can't buy milk or fill up their gas tank that week.
These folks need to think about the the here and now and the fact that they need milk for their kids or gas to get to work and they need it now. Those are needs whereas, (much as we all love our DOs,) simply stated, they are still just a want.
You simply cannot amortize gas or milk or other necessities and as far as I know, you can't get a loan for a Dutch oven -- even a Lodge Dutch Oven -- either.
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Moose60
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I'll chime in to support you Julie. I own both Lodge and Camp Chef dutch ovens, as well as Lodge skillets and a griddle and a very, very old skillet from a company that no longer exists. While I do not dispute the quality of Lodge products (some of which I have purchased at yard sales), I affirm that Camp Chef also makes a quality product and costs less. I also own Rome Industries pie irons (that are really iron) and find them to be a quality product as well. For the record, I am an avid cast iron cooker - we use only cast iron skillets at home, I cook at home in the dutch ovens regularly, and much of our camp cooking is also done in the ovens. We have had better times when Lodge was more within our budget, and leaner times (like now) when Lodge is out of the question. Lodge is not the only game in town.
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SWMO
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Quote:There are many folks living paycheck to paycheck and an extra $15 or $20 or $50 can make the difference between milk or gas for the week or going without those items. Those folks are clipping coupons just to save 50 cents. They're certainly not going to be able to justify a very expensive DO purchase by thinking that it's only costing them $5.00 or so per year over ten years when it means that they can't buy milk or fill up their gas tank that week.
If they are that hard up Julie, perhaps they shouldn't indulge in DO cooking at all. It does cost money heat them also, given that most people can't simply chop down a tree.
I realize that working where Chinese ovens are featured encourages you to promote them, but then some of us old flag waving veterans don't see a choice in supporting the American worker, at every level.
I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree.
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Moose60
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So Scrooge lives in MO now, hey? For the record, charcoal is probably cheaper than electricity in this state, and wood certainly is. Perhaps those of us who are less fortunate should give up camping all together and have no pleasure at all? We camp because it is a cheap vacation!
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SWMO wrote: If they are that hard up Julie, perhaps they shouldn't indulge in DO cooking at all. It does cost money heat them also, given that most people can't simply chop down a tree.
I realize that working where Chinese ovens are featured encourages you to promote them, but then some of us old flag waving veterans don't see a choice in supporting the American worker, at every level.
I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree.
And I suppose they could just starve! LOL! Dutch Oven cooking is no more costly than other methods unless you must have what some perceive to be the very best. It is sad you find yourself unwilling to allow folks to buy what they can afford. I do hope and pray you never find yourself in a... less affluent condition.
And, by the way, some other old flag waving veterans strongly disagree with you. Your comment implies a lack of patriotism on Julie's part. Neither your service nor mine entitles either of us to make those types of comments about anyone.
I'll second the call to move this one to where ever moderators move political crap. Some seem unable to differentiate cooking and politics.
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SWMO
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Quote:Your comment implies a lack of patriotism on Julie's part.
Not in the least, and I don't see that as part of this discussion. I'm sure we're all patriotic. The old flag waving vet is simply what drives my opinion, the fact that Julie sells Camp Chef surely influences her opinion.
This is whether or not one would prefer an American made DO, are they worth the money. I suppose as an old American who worked with his hands and is on SS I do have some idea of what's going on.
Moose60, I'm not scrooge, don't know why you would say that. I suppose if I was really tight with money, and did want to enjoy economical camping, I would simply take my cookware from home. Been there and done that, I personally wouldn't be looking at pots that cost $40 to $60.
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