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Caddywhompus

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Posted: 08/21/08 12:31pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Yeah, nothing polarizes these forums like posting an innocent question about wanting to tow with any less than a full size truck.

Some people will just require a truck to tow no matter what anyone tells them. Most of the replies above fall into this category.

Others have discovered that modern cars can also tow, but it does require some additional knowledge AND a thick skin, since the comments of well-meaning others will never relent.

The first thing to realize is the 1500 tow rating on your car is HIGHLY suspect. Chrysler dropped all the tow ratings on almost all the cars to nearly nothing a few years ago. When the Intrepid was first launched, it had a 3500 tow rating, and was a very capable tow vehicle. Some people even discovered that the 3500 rating could be pushed by spending a little time on the setup, getting a premium hitch and carefully selecting a trailer with good towing manners and low aerodynamic drag. As was mentioned before, Andy Thompson shocked the world when he added a custom class III hitch platform and a Hensley to an Intrepid and began touring the country with it. Last I heard it had made many trips over the Rockies and amassed several thousand miles towing a HUGE Airstream. Everybody that saw it thought it was insane, until they drove it.

Now your newer Concorde (same as the Intrepid) has the smaller 2.7 liter motor that some feel is weak, and it might be. But we aren't talking about hitching up a massive trailer either. The small, light trailer you are looking at will not present a significant load to your car. Oh sure, you will feel it, and occasionally downshift to climb a hill, but it will manage.

The car is capable of towing the trailer you are asking about, and maybe a little more. The additional HP required to pull the trailer is available, the stability and handling of the LH cars is still top-notch, and the braking and safety is there. The only real reason to concern yourself with the 1500 tow rating would be for warranty preservation, which I'm guessing is no longer an issue.

I would do it. I would make sure the trailer had good brakes, and I would look for a real good class III hitch in case I needed to run a Weight Distributing hitch system.

I say this because I have pulled a lot more trailer with a lot less vehicle safely many times. You have a decent car, and a fairly easy to pull trailer. It really isn't that big of a problem. (Between you and I, I would pull the trailer you are looking at with a 4 cylinder car, like my Subaru.)


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emtee wrote:

As long as you have stock options in the transmission assembly plant, along with engines and brakes ( oh yeah, lots of brakes), knock yerself out dude. But I wouldn't even tow a four wheeler trailer with it. Your ride is designed to be a passenger car- only. The token 1500 lb rating they give you will still wear a car of that caliber out in a hurry.

If you really want to camp, get the right gear (no pun intended). It'll be a helluva lot more fun if you don't break down every whipstitch, or kill yerself.


Another well thought out and informitive reply dude

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I am just surprised that there is still a Concorde still on the road. I haven't seen any in years. I thought they were great looking cars than they got the ax when the "Thugmobile" 300's came out. Imagine the Concorde with the excellant 4.0 V6 from the now defunct Pacifica, another fine auto killed off.


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I say wrong tool for the job.

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Caddywhompus wrote:

Yeah, nothing polarizes these forums like posting an innocent question about wanting to tow with any less than a full size truck.

Some people will just require a truck to tow no matter what anyone tells them. Most of the replies above fall into this category.

Others have discovered that modern cars can also tow, but it does require some additional knowledge AND a thick skin, since the comments of well-meaning others will never relent.

The first thing to realize is the 1500 tow rating on your car is HIGHLY suspect. Chrysler dropped all the tow ratings on almost all the cars to nearly nothing a few years ago. When the Intrepid was first launched, it had a 3500 tow rating, and was a very capable tow vehicle. Some people even discovered that the 3500 rating could be pushed by spending a little time on the setup, getting a premium hitch and carefully selecting a trailer with good towing manners and low aerodynamic drag. As was mentioned before, Andy Thompson shocked the world when he added a custom class III hitch platform and a Hensley to an Intrepid and began touring the country with it. Last I heard it had made many trips over the Rockies and amassed several thousand miles towing a HUGE Airstream. Everybody that saw it thought it was insane, until they drove it.

Now your newer Concorde (same as the Intrepid) has the smaller 2.7 liter motor that some feel is weak, and it might be. But we aren't talking about hitching up a massive trailer either. The small, light trailer you are looking at will not present a significant load to your car. Oh sure, you will feel it, and occasionally downshift to climb a hill, but it will manage.

The car is capable of towing the trailer you are asking about, and maybe a little more. The additional HP required to pull the trailer is available, the stability and handling of the LH cars is still top-notch, and the braking and safety is there. The only real reason to concern yourself with the 1500 tow rating would be for warranty preservation, which I'm guessing is no longer an issue.

I would do it. I would make sure the trailer had good brakes, and I would look for a real good class III hitch in case I needed to run a Weight Distributing hitch system.

I say this because I have pulled a lot more trailer with a lot less vehicle safely many times. You have a decent car, and a fairly easy to pull trailer. It really isn't that big of a problem. (Between you and I, I would pull the trailer you are looking at with a 4 cylinder car, like my Subaru.)


See my previous post about google searching the Chrysler 2.7L!

Now if it was a 3.2 or 3.5, then have at it. you won`t have a problem towing with it at all. even a smallish TT would be OK.

And FWIW LH (Intrepid,Concorde,LHS and 300`s) have bullit proof transmissions. it`s the minivan trannies that "used" to have the problems.


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..Caddywhompus is right, for the most part. Andy shocked a lot of people, when he showed how the Intrepid (very similiar to your Concorde) could tow better than anyone imagined. He (Andy) has put together all kinds of combinations that most would never consider. However, there's a lot more to it than meets the eye, especially in this particular case.

Do some reading on some of Andy Thomson's articles, etc. I can't remember exactly where, but I do remember at one point he specifically said that the 2.7L V6 was bad news for towing. Just does not put enough power to the wheels. Having owned an Intrepid for years that had the 2.7L V6, I have to agree with him. That engine was very lacking for power, even for just moving the vehicle itself. I cannot imagine towing ANYTHING with it. If you had the bigger V6, it'd be a much different story.

Even if Andy tells you that your 2.7 V6 powered Concorde will do OK with the smaller trailer you're looking at, keep one other thing in mind: Here in the good ol' USA, we have to worry about litigation and sue-happy lawyers MUCH more than Andy does up there in Canada. Lawyers in this country have 'wet dreams', about cases where people knowingly ignore manufacturer limits on products, and hurt someone in the process.

It doesn't matter if that 1500 lb tow limit is completely bogus, as Caddywhompus or Andy Thomson will suggest. Fact is, it came from the manufacturer, its their recommended limit. If you exceed it, you are leaving yourself wide open to some serious liability as I alluded to above (if something goes wrong). I personally would not want to risk that. I've worked too long and hard for what we have to watch some greedy lawyer take it all away in a nasty civil lawsuit.

If you're willing to take the risk I mentioned above, and don't mind being seriously under-powered, knock yourself out with this combination. It isn't something I would do just cause of the liability risk, but to each their own.

Any chance you could find a Concorde or Intrepied to trade up to, that would have the larger engine and enough towing capacity to handle the trailer you want, without exceeding the limits? If you absolutely must tow with this kind of vehicle and can live with a smaller trailer, thats what I'd recommend. If you go that route, definitely consult with Can-Am RV (Andy Thomson) in getting the Chrysler set up for towing. You'll likely need a custom hitch receiver installed, as well as a few other mods they do to make these vehicles tow well.

* This post was edited 08/21/08 02:40pm by willald *


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The 2.7 is pretty much maxed out just hauling around a Concorde. I would not even consider towing with it.


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Capt Skup wrote:

I am just surprised that there is still a Concorde still on the road. I haven't seen any in years. I thought they were great looking cars than they got the ax when the "Thugmobile" 300's came out. Imagine the Concorde with the excellant 4.0 V6 from the now defunct Pacifica, another fine auto killed off.


They (and their Intrepid and 300M< sibhlings) are pretty popular in the Northeast. My stepfather has one (2003 LXi), and my brother had his previous Concorde (1993), both 3.5's. The 2003 has ~95K on it. My brother sold the 93 (he wanted a truck, and sold it to another Marine in his platoon) a couple years ago with just over 250,000 miles on it. I don't like them (low roofline, wrong-wheel drive), but they're not bad cars.

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If you search on this forum there is a lot of info regarding this Chrysler platform for towing.

To sum up here are the hight lights that I found...

The local Airstream dealer (towing specialist) set up over 200 Intrepids, Concords, LHS,s for towing.

The larger engine models were a great success.

It was reported that the 2.7 was not a good engine for towing. No further explanation was given. One would need to discuss with Mr T. for more info. Also note that there is at least one class action law suit against Chrysler going on in Canada regarding the problematic 2.7 series vehicles.

The 1994 demo Intrepid towed a larger Airstream over 100,000klm's without any major mechanical issues.

Handling and stability was outstanding.

Note a custom hitch was required. The design and build quality of the hitch was nothing short of genius.


Airstreams.... the best towing trailers on the planet!

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