jayhardy
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PhilM
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Here is one way I see it. If you mount up a trailer, and the back end of the truck squats a lot, and you need 3-4 inches of air bags or springs to level it back out, you are probably to heavy.
I have see a lot of combos towed like you are mentioning and I have not personally seen anything wrong with it, but to each his own.
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At a campground/public parking lot in Brookings, I had a fella inquire about my rig. So I tell him, its a '01 F-350 dually PSD with a manual trans equipped with carbon metallic pads and an exhaust brake. I then tell him about my '06 Cardinal 30TS. He then sees my 100 gallon in bed fuel tank and asks me if it was full? I say yes. he then goes on to tell me I am overloaded Etc...Being that I am still hooked up, I look and the stock overloads are not yet touching the stops. I figure, OK, I guess so. He then goes on to tell me how dangerous this rig is with the steep hills along the coast even though I drive at or below the speed limit. So off he goes.
The next day, he pulls out with his '06 shortbed dmax 3/4 ton and his 34' fifth wheel in tow. I ask him on the way out if he ever thought about adding an exhaust brake or upgraded brake pads? He say,WHY would I want to do that? Gee I dont know, I guess I asked you that cause I have that same truck you have at home and to me I would never tow that much weight where I had to add 70 PSI to the air bags. Off he went.
My point is to each his own. Not saying that the advise here is wrong, but you are the one who has to live with your decisions....My decision is to leave my reliable chebby at home, and "Risk the Hills" with the furd.
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Blaster Man
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up2nogood wrote:jlnix wrote:richfaa wrote:.......and he gets these.."it can pull anything" answers.......
Can you tell us which of the responses (prior to yours) advised that he could "pull anything"?
You expect an answer good luck. I have taken issue with them on this 3/4 1 ton issue for quite some time, they ignore the facts or fail to do there homework and give advice on some good hard facts instead of reading door stickers, but that is the easy way to see there name in lights so to speak. I will never tell someone they can tow overweight, but there are options,and I won't tell someone like some do a dually and a dodge is the only way they can go because fords are ugly.Thats great information.
The door stickers are "hard facts" what else would they be? I am continuously amazed at the number of people on this forum who know way more than the phd mechanical engineers who design and build these trucks.
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Blaster Man
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Dustytuu wrote:jayhardy wrote:Boy- You hit that on a head. Sorry I put a 5 on my truck instead of the $40,000 i meant. It isn't the first time I have got this reaction. I've learned my lesson. To those chumps out there--Enjoy your fulltime RV Sites!!!!! You put a stigma on all RV's that is a pain in the !!!!
Don't let them get to you. They do this to all of us.
I was told we were over weight with our 2 ton diesel! Told we were over weight with our 3/4 ton diesel with 5,000 pound helper springs installed!
Don't take it personally.  I hope you continue to post here. There are some really nice people on here, who will give some good advice.
You were over weight...your little 3/4 ton Dodge was way over it's GVWR and GCWR hauling that Cameo around. Those helper springs did not do a thing except make you feel better.
Some times the information here is worth what you pay for it...nothing.
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Vipor
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Our rig's combined weight fully loaded ready to go with us(wife & I) in the cab weighs in at 20,900 lbs. I added the air bags instead of the leaf springs to help with the pin weight. The rear axle came in at 6000 lbs. The front end truck weigh was 4000 lbs. The camper axles were 10,900 lbs. This is accurate to T/As truck stop CAT scale. My rig handles great. I have had bumper pull campers that have made me feel uneasy when traveling. But this combo feels great. I only get 12.5 mpg pulling @ 60 mph. At slower speeds (50 mph) I get 14 - 14.5 mpg depending on the head wind. I guess if I had a lighter 5er I would get better mileage. But I am not complaining about what I get in light of what I see on this sight of what others are getting.
2005 Ram CTD 2500 LWB 48RE 3.73 - 2004 Potomac 5435 5er.
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up2nogood
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Blaster Man wrote:up2nogood wrote:jlnix wrote:richfaa wrote:.......and he gets these.."it can pull anything" answers.......
Can you tell us which of the responses (prior to yours) advised that he could "pull anything"?
You expect an answer good luck. I have taken issue with them on this 3/4 1 ton issue for quite some time, they ignore the facts or fail to do there homework and give advice on some good hard facts instead of reading door stickers, but that is the easy way to see there name in lights so to speak. I will never tell someone they can tow overweight, but there are options,and I won't tell someone like some do a dually and a dodge is the only way they can go because fords are ugly.Thats great information.
The door stickers are "hard facts" what else would they be? I am continuously amazed at the number of people on this forum who know way more than the phd mechanical engineers who design and build these trucks.
You do not want to hear anything ,but what you read on those door stickers I get it, and yes thats the easy way, but I am afraid you still don't get it. I do get it yes they are engineers,they decided to build the same truck ,put a 350 emblem on it add a couple leaf springs on it charge another 1000 dollars for it rate it to tow another 1500 lbs and carry another 500 lbs or whatever.Then they took the same truck took of the 350 emblem put on a 250 emblem removed a couple leaf springs derated 1500 lbs towing and 500 lbs and sold it for 1000 less and everybody was happy because he doesn't need a 1 ton until he does then he comes on this forum and asks will it tow this 5ver and you proceed to beat him up about it. Then I come on here and try to make some sense out of your ignorance, and that sir is where we are at now.
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richfaa
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"I've had a new Montana 2955RL w/ 2 slides for 2 years (quessing 10,00lbs) with a '06 Dodge Ram 2500 Diesel. I have no problem hitting any speed over mountain passes getting 15-18 miles per gallon. Someone please tell me (besides an RV or truck Dealer) how big of a 5er I can pull (how many slides or length or weight). I want to get as big a 5er I can for the $50,000 I have invested in the Deluxe Dodge Ram.
Thanks
jay "
The OP did not ask about add on's. He did not ask about the differences between 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks.He did not ask about what he could do to beef up his truck...He asked about the truck he HAS The manufactureres ratings and specifications apply to the truck he HAS. Those ARE the hard facts for that truck.(unaltered)What one may do to enhance those numbers is a different topic and has nothing to do with his question. Those who would advise him to ignore
those numbers are 100% wrong. When one operates ANY equipment in excess of the manufacturers ratings and specifications you are operating in a unsafe manner and a manner that will in time damage the equipment or cause injury to yourself or others.
06 Montana 3400. 08 Ford F-350 6.4L
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JIMNLIN
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(quote=richfaa) (snip)
When one operates ANY equipment in excess of the manufacturers ratings and specifications you are operating in a unsafe manner and a manner that will in time damage the equipment or cause injury to yourself or others.(/quote)
well said .... generally. What is important is knowing which of all those manufactors numbers is the one that carries the load (GAWRs/matched tire caps). Which numbers pull the load (manufactors GVWR or states uprate GVWR if available). The state the truck is registered in can give the correct guidence on GAWRs/GVWR and how their used and enforced.
Adding more springs/bigger tires does change the trucks ability to carry the load but doesn't make it a legal change to the vehicle and in particular GAWR numbers.
Complying with warranty issues is a consderation when adding components that helps the vehicle to carry more weight. The real issuse is does adding heavier springs/wheel/tires/etc satify the state the truck is registerd in "legal" requirements pertaing to GAWR/GVWR. Yeah I know a few don't like the "legal" term but its time to suck it up and find out from your state what is legal regarding GVWR/GAWR/tire caps/payloads/carring capacity/GCWR or any other terms the manufactors use. Many on both sides of the issue will be surprised.
Jim
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USA in a Chevrolet wrote:jayhardy wrote:I've had a new Montana 2955RL w/ 2 slides for 2 years (quessing 10,00lbs) with a '06 Dodge Ram 2500 Diesel. I have no problem hitting any speed over mountain passes getting 15-18 miles per gallon. Someone please tell me (besides an RV or truck Dealer) how big of a 5er I can pull (how many slides or length or weight). I want to get as big a 5er I can for the $50,000 I have invested in the Deluxe Dodge Ram.
Thanks
jay
Are you seriously saying that you get 15 to 18 mpg pulling your fiver over mountains? If so, & you can document it, it's time for me to trade my Silverado Duramax in. How do you compute your mpg? The only accurate way is to start with a completely full tank, drive across these mountains, refill the tank & divide the miles run by the gallons of diesel to refill the tank. Do this over a few tanks of fuel & you'll get a true mpg & I'll bet it's nowhere near 15 to 18 mpg towing, even on level ground.
I, too want to know what is being done to get that kind of fuel mileage, because the best I can do is about 13MPG with a tail wind.
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up2nogood
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richfaa wrote:"I've had a new Montana 2955RL w/ 2 slides for 2 years (quessing 10,00lbs) with a '06 Dodge Ram 2500 Diesel. I have no problem hitting any speed over mountain passes getting 15-18 miles per gallon. Someone please tell me (besides an RV or truck Dealer) how big of a 5er I can pull (how many slides or length or weight). I want to get as big a 5er I can for the $50,000 I have invested in the Deluxe Dodge Ram.
Thanks
jay "
The OP did not ask about add on's. He did not ask about the differences between 3/4 ton and 1 ton trucks.He did not ask about what he could do to beef up his truck...He asked about the truck he HAS The manufactureres ratings and specifications apply to the truck he HAS. Those ARE the hard facts for that truck.(unaltered)What one may do to enhance those numbers is a different topic and has nothing to do with his question. Those who would advise him to ignore
those numbers are 100% wrong. When one operates ANY equipment in excess of the manufacturers ratings and specifications you are operating in a unsafe manner and a manner that will in time damage the equipment or cause injury to yourself or others.
Let me see if I can get this right if I take my 2008 350 ford Superduty 6.4 SRW and convert it to a dually and hook that 3400 RL up, first I am going to ruin the truck and then I am going to start injurying myself and others. I hope I got it right. The one thing I agree on is the legal part, and as one guy has suggested the rating can be changed. I really do not know what there is with you guys when it comes to some simple facts about the difference between a 3/4 ton and a 1 ton, yes the legal aspect , but what is it that you do not get when it comes to the weight rating, and there is things that can be done safely and legally. If these trucks had a different frame, smaller rotors and brake shoes, smaller axles etc etc sure you are not going to slap on a couple leaf springs and call it safe or a 1 ton or whatever. I have a early 99 7.3 Superduty 350. I will repeat one more time the difference between my truck and the same one in a 3/4 ton is leaf springs and a higher spring block, 350 emblems on the front fender instead of 250 and of course the infamous door sticker, now naturally my 1 ton is rated higher for towing and hauling than the 3/4 we can't disagree there okay ??? Now we got this guy with a 99 Superduty 3/4 ton comes on here and wants to know if he can tow this 5ver well of course the answer is no you are over weight by 200 lbs you need a 1 ton SRW, and the next guy comes on here with a 99 Superduty 1 ton and asks can I tow this same 5ver, why of course you can ,now this debate can go on forever,but nobody including me is telling him to ignore the ratings on his truck, guite the opposite. He is most likely going to continue towing overweight would you rather him do that after telling him he needs a different truck and he has no intentions of listening to you or would you like to see him upgrade what he has to make it at least safer??? At least we may have one more truck out there that is safe. Regardless of what you think there are some 3/4 ton trucks out there that can comply safely with upgrades ,legally no,but safe non the less. And last regardless what you might think you know, but obviously you do not, the truck is not going to be ruined.
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