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Rubiranch

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Posted: 08/15/08 08:30am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I take the vitamin made for friendships; B1




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well, My Doc knows everything I take and approves of them. Because of my high blood pressure, which I regulate with a no salt diet and one pill. I tell her if I add or stop on a particular pill and I always take them all with me to check ups.. now my Doc is an "old fart" Doc.

My daddy on the other hand listened to TV commercials and although I forget what it was he was taking, but it destroyed his liver. that and his refusal to follow a diet and NOT being careful about taking what his doctor told him to take.. And he would lie about what he took and would sneak off and take them. thus no one really knew what he was taking until he had a stroke and heart attack and I took everything out of the house to the ER and the treating doc like to have had a coronary when he saw the bottles.

People tend to believe the commercials on TV pushed by the drug manufacturers and fail to tell or ask their regular doctor.

All pills are DRUGS.. TELL your Doc what all you are taking..

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I have "always" wondered about this ... since DH is a health nut! We've always taken vitamins, too many I have feared, but we have never had too many health issues either. We don't take high doses, just several kind, such as:
1 Multiple
1 C
3 Calcium
1 Low Dose Aspirin
1 Fish oil

We used to take 1 E until there was talk of that not being so good ... now DH just started taking the E again!

Our Dr. knows what we take and always says, "That's good" ... (but who really knows!?!)
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Many vitamins and supplements have been clinically proven effective, the problem is, there are so many snake oil products on the market it's hard to tell what's truly beneficial from the hooey.

But while vitamins and supplements may be beneficial, it's best to learn as much as you can first, especially with regards to possible side effects or drug interactions before getting involved with them.

For instance, St. Johns Wort has been proven highly effective in the treatment of mild to moderate depression, but it also has an effect on certain enzymes within the human liver which can cause adverse reactions when taken with prescription medications or significantly interfere with or even negate the effectiveness of drugs like Cyclosporine (and for you ladies out there), Birth control pills.

Ginko Biloba is commonly used today as the first line of treatment in dealing with Alzheimer’s disease, but its anticoagulant properties can be harmful to those taking blood-thinning medications like Warfarin. It can also lower blood sugar, and not suggested for use by people taking Insulin or those with Hypoglycemia.

While the folks here have made some excellent suggestions, I’d further recommend checking out any number of medically reputable sources such as: WEB MD , MEDSCAPE , and MedicineNet etc. and get the full story before making such decisions.


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I don't think there is any single correct answer for the original question. Everyone is different. What may be good for one person may not be good for another. For everyone to "just" take a store bought suppliment may not be the best.

I don't like taking any type of medication including vitamins. If I were concerned about taking a suppliment, I would ask my doctor and get his opinion.

Five or six years ago the Dr said I was a little low on Iron and told me to take a suppliment. I went back for blood test every 3 months and had the same results. After a year I just stopped taking it and you know what...no change in my blood tests. I'm always low on iron even I take a daily dose of it. So I just let it go and doc agrees, don't worry about it.

I think people today take way too many meds including vitamins and suppliments. So many of them claim to do something and many people believe it or hope it does what it claims. I don't need to tell you all, most claims are not typical and most people are just wasting their money.

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From today's Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

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Customers say company’s vitamins made them sick
After taking Total Body Formula, hair, nails fall out, joints ache

By ALISON YOUNG

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution

Over the years, a Woodstock company’s fruit-flavored vitamin supplement gained a loyal following. Customers swore it made them healthier and their testimonials persuaded friends and family to take it, too.

They never imagined it would be the cause of bizarre and frightening symptoms that stumped their doctors.

At least 197 people in a dozen states — 53 of them in Georgia — were sickened earlier this year after taking the liquid supplement Total Body Formula. Their hair fell out in clumps, their fingernails fell off. They suffered nausea, vomiting and fatigue. Some had disabling joint pain, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and state health officials.

Doctors treating 21-year-old Felicia Blasingame of Acworth this spring first thought she had the flu, then tested her for everything from parasites to lupus to rheumatoid arthritis, trying to figure out what was causing her nausea, seizures, knee pain and hair loss, she said.

Edgar Gurley, 78, of Marietta said he went from being active and healthy to suddenly in January battling a cascading array of symptoms, including diarrhea, fatigue and confusion. Gurley said doctors struggled to explain why his blood chemistry and thyroid levels were out of whack, his kidneys were failing and his hair was falling out.

As their symptoms worsened, Blasingame and Gurley said they continued to take their daily 1-ounce dose of Total Body Formula, thinking it was critical to their health.

Yet several batches of Total Body Formula and Total Body Mega Formula contained hazardous amounts of the mineral selenium — up to 40,800 micrograms per serving, 200 times the amount listed on the product’s label, according to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration.

The FDA is still investigating how this happened, and state health officials are still tallying the human toll.

Because of several pending lawsuits, lawyers for three companies involved in the manufacture and sale of Total Body products declined to discuss what happened.

3 FDA warnings

Total Body is one of more than two dozen dietary and herbal supplements that in the past year have been the subject of product recalls or FDA warnings because of various safety issues.

Officials at the Council for Responsible Nutrition, an industry group that represents major supplement companies, said problems such as those with Total Body Formula or recalls involving tainted products are rare.

“The overwhelming majority of dietary supplements on the market are safe and they do what they claim to do,” said Andrew Shao, the council’s vice president for scientific and regulatory affairs.

Problems with Total Body Formula products began in January as the first victims fell ill, but health officials were unaware for two more months. Alarm bells went off in early March after a Florida chiropractor notified state health officials about a cluster of patients with unusual hair loss, muscle cramps, nausea and diarrhea. All, it turned out, had used Total Body supplements.

“If he hadn’t said anything to anybody, we might not have known about it,” said Roberta Hammond, the Florida Department of Health’s food and waterborne disease coordinator.

On March 27, the FDA issued the first of three warnings, advising consumers not to use Total Body Formula in tropical orange and peach nectar flavors and Total Body Mega Formula in orange/tangerine flavor.

Tests by the FDA found the supplement contained high amounts of selenium as well as levels of chromium that were 17 times higher than recommended. Total Body recalled 1,484 bottles of the product from the market. The symptoms users experienced are signs of selenium toxicity, the FDA said.

“Some people have been pretty debilitated by this,” said Paul Melstrom, a CDC Epidemic Intelligence Service officer assigned to the Georgia Division of Public Health.

Severe joint pain and muscle cramps have caused people with physically demanding jobs to miss work. “That’s been a big issue with some folks,” Melstrom said. People who already had arthritis were particularly hard hit, he said. “A few found it very hard to even walk around.”

Others have been traumatized by going bald or losing their fingernails, he said.

State officials continue to track the progress of Georgia’s 53 known cases.

Melstrom is in the process this month of doing a third survey to follow up on checks made in April and June.

He has found that as time has passed and the product has left Total Body users’ systems, some symptoms have improved while others have worsened.

When he made his last round of calls in mid-June, the number of people who still suffered from nausea, vomiting and diarrhea had dropped dramatically since he first interviewed them in the spring. Fewer people had joint pain, but still more than half were affected.

The number of people reporting hair loss increased from 63 percent to 81 percent, he said. Those reporting fingernail discoloration or loss increased from 45 percent to 63 percent. These increases are to be expected because it takes longer for selenium to reach hair and nails, which have little blood flow, Melstrom said.

New regulation

Nobody knows how many consumers are harmed each year by dietary supplements. A recent study of 275 calls to a California poison control center about dietary supplements concluded that most adverse reactions are likely minor. But the study found that moderate to severe reactions, even death, occur, especially involving products containing stimulants such as caffeine and yohimbe.

A new regulation that took effect late last year requires for the first time that supplement companies notify the FDA about customer illnesses. But they only have to report serious, life-threatening or deadly events. Still, in the first six months of this year, supplement firms have filed 368 of these mandatory reports, the FDA said.

Most of the symptoms experienced earlier this year by users of Total Body Formula supplements — hair loss, nausea, joint pain and the like — would not qualify as serious enough for mandatory reporting, FDA officials said.

Despite health alerts sent out by the FDA and the CDC, Blasingame and Gurley and their doctors remained unaware throughout the spring that federal officials had an explanation for the illnesses.

Gurley — who had been to numerous specialists and had met with a surgeon about removing his thyroid — said he didn’t learn of the Total Body recall until late April when he went back to a Marietta health food store to get another bottle before he ran out.

Blasingame didn’t know there was a problem with the product until May — after numerous doctors’ appointments, a trip to the hospital for seizures and invasive gastrointestinal tests. She was in the office of a new doctor, a dermatologist, seeking a second opinion about why her long hair was falling out by the handful. The doctor had seen the alerts and asked her whether she took the supplement.

“At first I was really relieved to know the reason for everything that was going on,” Blasingame said. “After that, I got really angry because this was something that could have been prevented.”

Blasingame and Gurley have sued Total Body Essential Nutrition, the supplement’s seller. They and consumers in several other states also have sued two other firms that manufactured the product for Total Body: TexAmerican Food Blending of Hot Springs, Ark., and Wright Enrichment of Crowley, La.

Total Body Essential Nutrition only markets and sells the product, said Rod Cate, an attorney for the company. “They have nothing to do with the manufacturing process. Total Body relies upon the manufacturers to do it correctly,” he said.

No treatment

Wright Enrichment attorney Dino Gankendorff said the company denies any liability and stands behind its product. An attorney for TexAmerican declined to comment.

Jennifer Thomas, enforcement division director in the FDA’s Center for Food Safety and Applied Nutrition, said she can’t say what the agency’s investigation has found so far.

There’s no treatment for selenium or chromium poisoning, federal health officials said, and symptoms are expected to go away on their own over time. But recovery will vary depending on how much of the product a person consumed and their underlying health problems.

Blasingame says she’s no longer nauseated, her energy is returning and her hair is growing back. But she worries whether there’s been any long-term damage to her liver or kidneys.

Gurley said he continues to suffer serious health problems that he blames on the product.

“I am very close to having to go into dialysis,” said Gurley, whose doctor is checking his blood every two weeks. Kidney failure can be caused by excessive consumption of chromium.

Gurley said he’s lost the ability to drive and suffers from continued gastrointestinal problems that make it impossible to sleep or go to the American Legion hall to play cards with his buddies.

While he worries about his own future, he fears there may be others who are still taking the product. Each 32-ounce bottle contained enough doses for a month. “I’m sure there are people who still don’t know,” he said.



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I know a woman who takes about $200 worth of vitamins and supplements a month. She is advised to take them by someone I consider a quack and she considers great. Of course she buys them from the woman who says she needs them. Do you know that some spit on a Q tip will tell the quack what kinds to prescribe. I could go on and on ranting about this but will stop now. Perhaps I should take a supplement to calm myself down.
And I take a multivitamin plus calcium.

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