Cat320
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kaydeejay wrote:MadMav wrote:You just said it yourself. GVWR has only to do with emissions standards. The government doesn't CARE about GVWR on private vehicles otherwise. It's just a number. Just because you managed a group that licked the GVWR stamps and slaped them on the door jams does not mean you know the law, or the truth. The fact is it's a manufacture's "WEIGHT" number not the governments. The gov only cares about smog. Think about it, if it was a government concern, would they let you buy more GVWR? I'm gonna say no to that.
Mav You obviously can't read - the labels say "Federal Safety and Emission standards"
Perhaps you would like to read up on some of them, particularly FMVSS-105 which defines brake system performance!!
As for the law - NOT knowing the law (as far as Vehicle Certification is concerned) was quite likely to put me in jail. And until I was convinced all the certifications were in place not one vehicle left a GM Assembly Plant. Yup, that label is a significant legal document.
Please describe YOUR professional qualifications that allow you to make such statements.
Over and out!!
MadMav is one of the self proclaimed experts, who knows more than any engineer who works for a vehicle manufacturer. We can only hope the good folks that read his posts are smart enough to ignore them.
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MadMav
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The feds do not test braking distance vs GVWR and establish the max. The manufactures do according to what they wish to accept liability for.
You speak about beating your head against a wall while trying to defend your factual data that is in fact not a law, and not set in stone by the government an any way shape and form. If you don't want to exceed the GVWR, then dont. But don't go about saying it is wrong, stupid or illegal when others have done the research and dedicated the time to know what the real safe limits are. Ones that are not limited by laws that don't exist and by manufactures "recomended" weights for liabily reasons.
It all comes down to manufacture accident and warantee liability......not law.
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kaydeejay
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MadMav wrote:The feds do not test braking distance vs GVWR and establish the max. Pure unadulterated BS!
MadMav wrote:It all comes down to manufacture accident and warantee liability......not law.
Mav
AKA...self appointed expert. FMVSS-105 (among many others) IS Federal Law that ALL manufacturers have to meet. To state otherwise is absolutely 100% wrong.
I strongly urge all readers to ignore the rants of this potentially dangerous poster.
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kaydeejay wrote:
"and DONN0128, ya know, sometimes it feels good when you stop banging your head against a brick wall - hence my limited weight posts of late, but when pure and dangerous garbage gets stated I just have to respond! "
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MadMav
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I have been reading up on this, and I have found that all FMVSS-105 does is set "minimum" stopping distance standards. It does not address GVWR in private vehicles, and it is a DOT regulation, not a law. But I'm sure you'll find something that says otherwise.
I can't continue to keep this up. This has been covered 1000 times in 2000 posts. Both sides continue to bring up valid points and continue to provide facts and testing data. Court cases have been won by both sides and in each case it came down to liability. I'm sorry spoil the fun but I'm done arguing as this was never my intention.
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kydale
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Man, my computer screen is smokin. See this proves my point. Dumber is better at least for me. And since Texas is down hill from here I'm going to go get the 5er that is the prettiest and coast to Texas. Worry about going uphill in the spring. Maybe that Texas wind will blow me home.
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donn0128
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MadMav wrote:The feds do not test braking distance vs GVWR and establish the max. The manufactures do according to what they wish to accept liability for.
You speak about beating your head against a wall while trying to defend your factual data that is in fact not a law, and not set in stone by the government an any way shape and form. If you don't want to exceed the GVWR, then dont. But don't go about saying it is wrong, stupid or illegal when others have done the research and dedicated the time to know what the real safe limits are. Ones that are not limited by laws that don't exist and by manufactures "recomended" weights for liabily reasons.
It all comes down to manufacture accident and warantee liability......not law.
Mav
AKA...self appointed expert.
Now that you have made absurd statements like this, please do us uninformed ignorant dolts a favor and site the Federal regs where you are getting this information from!
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There wont be any more squabbling. Closed.
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