edmontoncamper
Edmonton Alberta Canada
Senior Member
Joined: 08/13/2007
View Profile
 Offline
|
Almost to stupid to be true...
http://www.tothepointnews.com/content/view/3207/85/
(sorry, Don't know how to make it a clicky)
* This post was
edited 08/20/08 06:21pm by an administrator/moderator *
|
ngc1514
Atlanta, GA
Senior Member
Joined: 04/21/2003
View Profile
|
The people on the plane were not air line flight crew, but service providers - maintenance people.
The "news story" also omits the fact that 2 of the injured were AIRBUS employees.
Airbus Website
Quote:Following the regrettable accident that occurred at the Airbus Saint-Martin site (close to Toulouse) yesterday 15th November at 5 pm local time, Airbus reports that of the five injured people, three remain in hospital. Two were released between yesterday night and this morning. Of the three persons remaining in hospital, one is an employee of Abu Dhabi Aircraft Technologies (ADAT), a service provider for Etihad Airways, and two are Airbus employees. Airbus and ADAT are providing all necessary support to the persons involved and their families.
Eric
2003 Outback 25FB
There are only 10 types of people in the world:
Those who know binary and those who don't.
=========================
|
Cloud Dancer
San Antonio and Livingston TX USA
Senior Member
Joined: 06/08/2001
View Profile
|
It is counter-intuitive to design a system that disables the parking brake if you simply flip the circuit breaker for a warning horn.
But, it's kinda stupid to run up all 4 engines to takeoff power (if you're not going to take off).
Willie & Betty Sue
Miko & Sparky
2003 41 ft Dutch Star Diesel Pusher/Spartan
Floorplan 4010
Blazer toad & Ranger bassboat
|
wa8yxm
Wherever I happen to park
Senior Member
Joined: 07/04/2006
View Profile
 Online
|
Cloud Dancer wrote:It is counter-intuitive to design a system that disables the parking brake if you simply flip the circuit breaker for a warning horn.
But, it's kinda stupid to run up all 4 engines to takeoff power (if you're not going to take off).
I saw nothing in the releases about circuit breakers
And running the engines up to full power is a standard test done on all aircraft... And space craft for that matter.
Nothin adds excitment like something that is none of your business
John is Near Kenwood TS-2000 housed in a 2005 Damon Intruder 377
|
Dshultz50
Oregon
Senior Member
Joined: 06/23/2006
View Profile
Offline
|
NOTE: this happened November 2007! And I don't understand all the technical stuff...so i don't understand how it could be stupid??!!??
Dee & Bob
1990 Fleetwood Fifth Wheel
2 cats - Donner and Dasher
kids are grown and on their own
12 grandkids
life is good!!!!
Your account balance is 2ยข, to continue reading my quality opinions please remit payment as soon as possible.
|
|
|
Cloud Dancer
San Antonio and Livingston TX USA
Senior Member
Joined: 06/08/2001
View Profile
|
Written by To The Point News
Friday, 16 May 2008
The brand spanking new Airbus 340-600 sat in its hangar inToulouse, France without a single hour of
airtime. Enter the Arab flight crew of Abu Dhabi Aircraft Technologies
(ADAT) to conduct pre-delivery tests on the ground, such as engine runups,
prior to delivery to Etihad Airways in Abu Dhabi.
The ADAT crew taxied the A340-600 to the run-up area. Then they took all
four engines to takeoff power with a virtually empty aircraft. Not having
read the run-up manuals, they had no clue just how light an empty A340-600
really is.
The takeoff warning horn was blaring away in the cockpit because they had
all 4 engines at full power. The aircraft computers thought they were trying
to takeoff but it had not been configured properly (flaps/slats, etc.)
Then one of the ADAT crew decided to pull the circuit breaker on the Ground
Proximity Sensor to silence the alarm. This fools the aircraft into
thinking it is in the air. The computers automatically released all the
brakes and set the aircraft rocketing forward. The ADAT crew had no idea
that this is a safety feature so that pilots can't land with the brakes on.
Not one member of the seven-man Arab crew was smart enough to throttle back
the engines from their max power setting, so the $200 million brand-new
aircraft crashed into a blast barrier, totaling it. The extent of injuries
to the crew is unknown, for there has been a news blackout in the major
media in France and elsewhere. Coverage of the story was deemed insulting
to Moslem Arabs. Finally, the photos are starting to leak out. Airbus $200
million aircraft meets retaining wall and the wall wins....
|
Doug4.7
Hartselle, AL, USA
Senior Member
Joined: 10/02/2003
View Profile
|
You know, there is a reason for those "boring" check-lists they have when you fly a plane.....
|
ngc1514
Atlanta, GA
Senior Member
Joined: 04/21/2003
View Profile
|
Cloud Dancer wrote:Written by To The Point News
Friday, 16 May 2008
The brand spanking new Airbus 340-600 sat in its hangar in Toulouse, France without a single hour of airtime. Enter the Arab flight crew of Abu Dhabi Aircraft Technologies (ADAT) to conduct pre-delivery tests on the ground, such as engine runups, prior to delivery to Etihad Airways in Abu Dhabi.
The only thing that seems to be missing is the SOURCE of information in this report. There is no doubting that the incident took place as I pointed out with the link to the Airbus web. What I'd like to know is where the final cause determination has been reported. I don't see it on the Airbus site; there are no news reports other than the initial accident report.
|
Cloud Dancer
San Antonio and Livingston TX USA
Senior Member
Joined: 06/08/2001
View Profile
|
wa8yxm wrote:Cloud Dancer wrote:It is counter-intuitive to design a system that disables the parking brake if you simply flip the circuit breaker for a warning horn.
But, it's kinda stupid to run up all 4 engines to takeoff power (if you're not going to take off).
I saw nothing in the releases about circuit breakers
And running the engines up to full power is a standard test done on all aircraft... And space craft for that matter.
I should've been more clear. You do NOT have to run up all 4 engines at the same time. I survived in the business by using my own knowledge of the systems. I always insisted on learning everything about the fuel systems, the hydraulic systems, and the electrical systems. I always questioned, and I learned, exactly what it was that you were looking for, every time you ran a systems test. I flew the airplanes, I was PIC, I did NOT have blind faith.
|
ngc1514
Atlanta, GA
Senior Member
Joined: 04/21/2003
View Profile
|
Cloud Dancer wrote:I should've been more clear. You do NOT have to run up all 4 engines at the same time. I survived in the business by using my own knowledge of the systems. I always insisted on learning everything about the fuel systems, the hydraulic systems, and the electrical systems. I always questioned, and I learned, exactly what it was that you were looking for, every time you ran a systems test. I flew the airplanes, I was PIC, I did NOT have blind faith.
And the Airbus employees who where on the plane allowed this to happen... why?
The question that was asked is, where did the information about the pulled circuit breaker come from? It's not in any of the Airbus releases and seems to have originated on the To The Point website since most of the other websites that talk about the circuit breaker either quote directly or point back to the To the Point site.
And while I bow to your experience, do you know for a fact that what was done on the plane in question was not part of the standard operating check procedure as written by Airbus?
|
|
|
