Keith99RS

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McDonoughDawg wrote: big kahuna1 wrote: Quote: I was close to going with the diesel, but the extra cost and difference in gas mileage was not enough to make it economically feasible. I figured it would take about 10 years to make up the difference in mileage.
So not true. The mileage on a diesel is so much better compared to the Hemi that it is shameful. Have towed with a Hemi and a CTD and no need to comment any further.
As to the price difference. Not true either...especially compared to the Hemi. In addition, the price difference is made at resale every time.
I'm thinking you haven't priced used diesels lately, much less used trucks.
That and the new emissions regulated diesels aren't getting all that much better mpg than my gasser empty. The old 5.9L on the other hand was very impressive in my FIL's old 2500 Ram. His 6.7L has disappointed him in the mpg department so far. Don't get me wrong, he loves the Megacab and the refinement of the 6.7L, but just expected better mpg numbers than he is seeing.
To the poster who mentioned lack of comfort, I too think you are confusing a Quadcab with a Megacab. The Mega has so much room you can recline the rear seats and is cavernous compared to my Titan CC which had one of the largest CC's in 05. My best friend has a Quadcab 2500 and the roominess is bad. His 1.5yo son sat in his carseat behind me and for him to have room for his feet my knees were almost touching the dash. I am 6'3". This same situation would not have even been an issue in my truck or a Megacab.
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Believe me, I ran the numbers when I bought my 08 Hemi in January. I figured 5 miles per gallon better hauling the camper with the diesel versus the gasser (16.5 versus 11.5). Gas is 3.89 and diesel is 4.69. If you figure it costs 28.4 cents per mile (4.69/16.5) for the diesel and 33.8 cents (3.89/11.5) for the Hemi, the difference is 5.4 cents per mile. I figured the diesel would be about $5,000 more. It would take 92,592 miles to break even. At roughly 10,000 miles per year, that is pretty darn close to 10 years...? And with the Hemi, I got the lifetime warranty - not available on the Cummins.
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Keith99RS wrote: McDonoughDawg wrote: big kahuna1 wrote: Quote: I was close to going with the diesel, but the extra cost and difference in gas mileage was not enough to make it economically feasible. I figured it would take about 10 years to make up the difference in mileage.
So not true. The mileage on a diesel is so much better compared to the Hemi that it is shameful. Have towed with a Hemi and a CTD and no need to comment any further.
As to the price difference. Not true either...especially compared to the Hemi. In addition, the price difference is made at resale every time.
I'm thinking you haven't priced used diesels lately, much less used trucks.
That and the new emissions regulated diesels aren't getting all that much better mpg than my gasser empty. The old 5.9L on the other hand was very impressive in my FIL's old 2500 Ram. His 6.7L has disappointed him in the mpg department so far. Don't get me wrong, he loves the Megacab and the refinement of the 6.7L, but just expected better mpg numbers than he is seeing.
To the poster who mentioned lack of comfort, I too think you are confusing a Quadcab with a Megacab. The Mega has so much room you can recline the rear seats and is cavernous compared to my Titan CC which had one of the largest CC's in 05. My best friend has a Quadcab 2500 and the roominess is bad. His 1.5yo son sat in his carseat behind me and for him to have room for his feet my knees were almost touching the dash. I am 6'3". This same situation would not have even been an issue in my truck or a Megacab.
Nope, not confused. I rode in both the same week. I hated both. Sorry, it's not a GM, Dodge, Ford thing, I was just uncomfortable and have rode in the back seat of mine and I feel it rides better. Now, the new GM's, I think are WAY too stiff of seats.
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heitjer wrote: Great discussion here and I appreciate the feedback. I am actually glad this did not turn into yet another Ford vs. Chevy vs. Dodge discussion.
I have a few more questions -
- the payload question is a concern now, I might need to check into the 3500 for that matter as suggested by TROLL. I occasionally have to carry 6 people and two big dogs plus whatever on the bed plus a 1000 lbs from the trailerIf I remember correctly from my 07 brochure the load carrying ratings for the mega cab are less than for comparable standard.quad cab configurations. The GCWR and GVWR are the same, but due to the extra weight of the mega cab load carrying is less. By all means consider a 3500. The cost difference is nothing compared to trading up later if you decide you are too far overloaded.
- I understand the comments from MIKE but I sat there for 15 minutes and personally think the back seats are the best seating option compared to other options (...and I don't have to sit there anyway)
- do all oth the diesls have the exhaust break or is this an option that I have to order. This is a real plus...Yes, the 6.7L Cummins comes as a no cost option with the exhaust brake. It is a great feature
- There seems to be a favor for the older Cummins (no "g" - I am learning) and from an engineering perspective it makes sense that a 5.9L is more efficient than a 6.7L. Should I try to find a good, low milage used one rather than buying a new truck?With the 5.7L you gain a bit in fuel economy, but you loose the wonderful 6 spd automatic and factory EB. So there is a trade off. By the release of the 09 models they should have most of the software bugs worked out of the new motor.
- the $20k is a marketing trick, although the website says $20k off MSRP they will up-sell you some extras to place you right back where you started. Overall it equates to ~ 12k off MSRPDo some web searching and you can usually find several dealers willing to deal. Dave Smith Motors in Kellogg ID for instance.
Thanks for the comments on the mirrors.
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willald

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..As already alluded to by Keith99RS in a previous post, don't expect a new 6.7L Cummins diesel to get anywhere near the mileage that older model Dodge Cummins diesels used to get. 18-20 mpg diesel pickups are a thing of the past with the emission controls that new diesels have. The new emission controls have really ate up some mileage, and kind of 'leveled the playing field' some, if you will.
That, and when you factor in that the diesel option now costs more than ever over a similiarly equipped gasser truck, AND that diesel fuel seems to permanently be a good .50 to 1.00 more a gallon than gas....The reasons/benefits of diesel are quickly fading away, strictly with regards to new trucks.
Do this: Ask a few Megacab diesel owners (NEW 6.7 diesel), what kind of REAL WORLD mileage they are getting. Likewise with hemi-powered pickups. I think you're going to find the mileage difference is nowhere near as much as you think, and you may well start to question whether its worth the higher purchase price, and higher price of diesel fuel.
I know with the Ford trucks, this is especially true. Ford's 3 valve V10 puts out VERY good power, very close to same towing power as the diesel. It does so only getting only a couple less mpg than a new 6.4 power stroke diesel, yet costs almost 10,000 less $$ up front. If I was buying a new Ford pickup, there's no question which way I'd go (and it would NOT be a diesel).
Anyway, good luck with whatever you go with. Do some research on what kind of mileage you can realistically expect a 6.7 diesel to get, and factor that into your decision. Thats my only point.
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willald wrote:
That, and when you factor in that the diesel option now costs more than ever over a similiarly equipped gasser truck, AND that diesel fuel seems to permanently be a good .50 to 1.00 more a gallon than gas....The reasons/benefits of diesel are quickly fading away, strictly with regards to new trucks.
can't really argue with your math, but the main benefit is still pulling power. If you are pulling heavy, then the benefit is still there...
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The difference between my 2001 Dodge/Cummins 4x4 quadcab 4 speed automatic and my 2008 Dodge/Cummins 4x4 quadcab 6 speed automatic highway driving hand calculated is that the 2001 got about 1 mpg better, no towing. The 2008 gets the SAME towing mpg. That didn't happen right away. At first I got 16 mpg not towing. But now, with a bit over 20,000 miles on it I usually get 20+ empty and 12+ towing. Tons more power, great transmission, and the whole truck is just head and shoulders above the 2001 plus it does not have that terrible steering. The '01 was the vehicle I liked better than anything else I'd ever had and I like this even more. The factory is an included standard part of the 6.7 liter package.
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I can't speak to the 6.7L mpg from experience, but I have read the 6.7L gets the same to less mpg than the 5.9L.
I have the 5.9L in a 2007 Megacab 3500 SRW, and couldn't be happier. It greats great mileage for a big truck (22 mpg hwy is the best so far, 20 is typical, 19 in windy or hilly conditions). Haven't towed too much with it yet (haven't used a full tank of diesel just pulling), so don't have hand calculated numbers to report for that - but the overhead trip computer says 11-12mpg when towing my 9500# 34' RV.
My truck has about 2800# payload (based on it's 7300# weight deducted from 10100# GVWR), and if I use the same weight and a 2500 trucks GVWR of 9000#, I'd have 1700# payload. That's why I chose the 3500 SRW.
Note that the only mechanical difference between a 3500 SRW and a 2500 is that the 3500 SRW has a factory overload spring. You can see it here in this photo on top of the regular springs.

Also, I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I think the read seats are extremely comfortable. There's a ton of room, and the seats recline - a feature found in no other pickup.
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camping man wrote: I'd be concerned with available payload if you bought the 2500Mega,plus4x4, can't be too much left?
I also recommend the caution on the towing /payload on this model as several have been disappointed after buying one to find they are quite limited! Can't tow much!
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mikehart92 wrote: Don't let the looks of the Mega Cab fool you. Set in the back and see just how UNcomfortable that back seat is. I rode an hour in the back of an 08 a couple months ago and couldn't wait to get out of it.
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