elbmiNrM
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MadMav wrote:Some of you offer good help while others take it personally. It's a dog, plain and simple. Not human, and they will not be treated as such. Seen to many mental dogs because of human treatment. The "whooping" comment was meant light heartedly, but yes I do smack my dog. Guess what corporal punishment works on most, but obviously not all. That is why I asked for help. If all you want to do is chastise, then move along. And every dog trainer I have heard says to feed once per day, not twice. And I do not know about paying for or hauling around a kennel that freakin big!
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MadMav
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elbmiNrM,
Thank you for the advice. I will work on the praise more this weekend while camping.
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MadMav wrote:Some of you offer good help while others take it personally. It's a dog, plain and simple. Not human, and they will not be treated as such. Seen to many mental dogs because of human treatment. The "whooping" comment was meant light heartedly, but yes I do smack my dog. Guess what corporal punishment works on most, but obviously not all. That is why I asked for help. If all you want to do is chastise, then move along. And every dog trainer I have heard says to feed once per day, not twice. And I do not know about paying for or hauling around a kennel that freakin big!
Mav
Yeah, I thought it was REAL funny. Don't you see me laughing? IDIOT.
What kind of comment is "it's a dog, plain and simple"? What you should be saying is, "I'm mentally deficient".
I think you need a beating. See if corporal punishment works on you.
Go read books on training before you to ask for help.
Oh wait, can you read? 
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19Sandie54
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MadMav wrote: It's a dog, plain and simple. Not human, and they will not be treated as such.
Mav Dogs do have feelings and feel pain and anger and trying to train them by getting angry and hitting them is just plain wrong. They will never learn that way. I have housetrained many dogs without any problems through love and patience. When they do make a mistake, and they will, you never hit them or stick their nose in it. As a matter a fact you don't even let them see you clean it up as that makes them think its OK. When they do what you want, you PRAISE, PRAISE ,PRAISE. They want nothing more than to please you. You need to take the time and patience to take the dog out on a leash and stay with him till he goes, then praise him, not just open the door and hope he went...he will not learn that way. Good luck and quit hitting him already!!
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Pawz4me
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Take that newspaper that was mentioned awhile back, whack yourself over the head a few times and then go out and buy a crate. If you can afford a toy hauler, I'm pretty sure you can find the money for a crate. There's not a dog been born yet who is "too big" for a crate.
Then you go back to Housebreaking 101. That means the dog is taken out on a regular schedule. For a dog that age, at least every couple of hours during the day to begin with. Praise like crazy when he produces something. Yes, this means you take him out on a leash or go with him (assuming you have a fenced yard).
If he doesn't do anything and you can't directly supervise him (so you can catch him before he does anything inside) then he goes into the crate. He's in the crate anytime you can't directly supervise him.
Gradually lengthen the time between outside trips, and as he becomes more trustworthy you can begin to allow him some free, unsupervised time in the house.
If Housebreaking 101 means a considerable amount of crate time for him, then you have to also make sure he's getting enough exercise. As someone else mentioned, for a young sporting breed dog that means a couple hours a day of some serious running.
Clean up all areas where he's pottied with a good enzymatic pet stain/odor remover. You can find them at any pet store. Nature's Miracle and Petzyme are two brands, there are others. You might not be able to smell anything, but he can and the smell will keep him going back to those areas.
It will be a bit of a challenge to housebreak a dog who is used to soiling inside, but with patience and kindness it can be done.
As far as the cat food -- there are two things you can do. Put the cat food somewhere out of his reach, or start feeding kitty scheduled meals.
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Code2High
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To paraphrase, of all people, Dr Phil... "how's that workin' for ya?"
And that could apply to a couple of things, the first being your approach to training the dog, the second being the approach of coming into a forum like this and behaving as if you are either a half-wit or a kissing cousin to Michael Vick. Neither is going to get you the kind of help you need, if help is indeed what you wish to have. I suspect that neither is true, either. So drop the nonsense and maybe we can get somewhere.
Punishing the dog after the fact (or before or during, for that matter) is not going to work. Teaching a dog where to go and where not to go is in two parts, one is getting the dog to go where and when it should, and then reinforcing that behavior. The other is preventing the dog from going where it should not. To do that, you need one of two things.... constant supervision, or a crate. The benefit of a crate is that it will discourage the dog from going when you aren't there, because dogs don't like to go in their "dens." This allows you to do a lot of things while training your dog, including sleeping at night. Its a benefit.
A second benefit of the crate is that it will keep the pup out of trouble, including the cat food, when you are not available to supervise. There IS a training process required, and that can be gone into if you want to know what it is, or you can go and pick up a book on "house training your dog in 7 days" at your local pet store, and have it all in one place, coming in here for additional support. I recommend the latter approach, as having the method laid out for you in a (short) book makes it much easier to comprehend and implement than sorting through dozens of posts to get what you need.
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sue.t
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It might be in that poor dog's best interests that you do "get rid of her". It my absolute astoundment at your attitude, I think of that well known quote ... "There are no bad dogs, only bad owners."
Hopefully that pup's next owner can undo your mistakes and train her well.
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CEK0515
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Lost cause....The poster asks for help/advice because his method is clearly not working. Yet when excellant advice is given, he dismisses it. His opinion is known effective training techniques are treating dogs like humans and will create a mental case. I repeat. Lost cause....
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elbmiNrM
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Quote:Lost cause....The poster asks for help/advice because his method is clearly not working. Yet when excellant advice is given, he dismisses it. His opinion is known effective training techniques are treating dogs like humans and will create a mental case. I repeat. Lost cause....
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MadMav
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CEK0515 wrote:Lost cause....The poster asks for help/advice because his method is clearly not working. Yet when excellant advice is given, he dismisses it. His opinion is known effective training techniques are treating dogs like humans and will create a mental case. I repeat. Lost cause....
I have thanked all for the constructive advice and do take it into hearted account. I was serious about wanting another way to break this dog. And yes, break is the proper word.
To all the others, what is better........rolled up newspaper/magazine or a shock training collar? The latter is used by professionals that understand that a dog is a dog and need a certain outcome. And I can promise you this.......everyone of your parents and probably most of you have disciplined a dog with a newspaper. So don't be so judgemental. Just offer your advice please, because I really want to help her, help me.
Mav
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