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I just got them for the first time , and we love them.The trailer is much quiter , and easier to cool. the initial cost was not bad as we ordered the unit and recieved a very good deal on all the options we wanted.The options were added in at just alittle over cost.
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I would suggest that you do some research on RV dual pane windows..These are NOT the same as dual pane windows in your stick house. Use your favorite search engine and be enlightened.Find out how efficient they are in terms of heat,cold, noise reduction. There is much to learn.
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richfaa wrote:I would suggest that you do some research on RV dual pane windows..These are NOT the same as dual pane windows in your stick house. Use your favorite search engine and be enlightened.Find out how efficient they are in terms of heat,cold, noise reduction. There is much to learn.
and all these claims of much quieter, warmer, etc. NONE of which were side by side studies of the two separate units. If I paid $2000 extra for the windows I would start justifying them in my mind myself.
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I would say that better then 90% of the people on this forum KNOW that these "dual pane windows" ARE NOT the same as the storm windows that are in a/my stick built house. It doesn't take a rocket scientist
to know this. What is your point. Having sit in a 5er with single pane windows at 10 degrees outside and heating said 5er and having the same 5er in 94 degree heat trying to cool it, THEN, purchasing a 5er with dual pane windows and sitting in the same heat and cold, I personally, from experience, as have others, tell you that THERE IS A DIFFERENCE in heating and cooling of the 5er. I have no reason to lie.
I've used less propane in the wintertime to heat my 5er and the A/C's
don't wear out trying to keep the 5er cool when the temps are in the 90's. There is also a difference in how dual pane windows cut down on noise from the outside in, as well as me having the TV or stereo turned up louder then I meant to, only to walk out the door and finding out that I can't hear it outside. They REALLY work well for what they are...two window panes with a gap between them. No matter how you figure it, it's STILL better then a single pane of glass. When they come with the dark tint, it really makes them desirable.
ON EDIT: Side by side comparisons??? Most of the people that are giving you this information are people who have HAD both. If you don't have them, you don't have them, don't try to make those who do have double pane windows seem like they don't know what they're talking about, most have made a judgement from owning RV's with both types of windows.
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Bumpyroad
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"Having sit in a 5er with single pane windows at 10 degrees outside and heating said 5er and having the same 5er in 94 degree heat trying to cool it, THEN, purchasing a 5er with dual pane windows and sitting in the same heat and cold, I personally, from experience, as have others, tell you that THERE IS A DIFFERENCE in heating and cooling of the 5er. I have no reason to lie."
were there any improvements in the insulation in these units? Did the second one have dark full body paint and the first one white? were they both parked in the same orientation to the sun? were the lots shaded the same?
just curious
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May I ask how much is the dual pane option? More or less than $500.00
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BruceStarkey
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NC Hauler: It always happens on this forum the same way:
Someone posts a question related to anything such as "best full time rig" or "what to look for in a trailer" or in this case what about those dual pane windows and in very short order the thread moves from a simple cost versus benefit comparison to those of us suggesting getting them or buying the better more expensive unit as being stupid or snobbish or having some other dysfuntional personality disorder because we've decided to spend more money or something equally as mundane. One poster even summed it up in his post to continue castigating the rest of us by stating 'we feel the need to justify our bad decision', nuts, I've had trailers with both types of windows and would not go back to single pane glass, yeah it costs more to purchase the same as aluminum wheels do but I won't be going back to steel wheels anytime soon either. Some of these folks simply can't stand it when someone suggest a feature or option they don't have or didn't think of or were talked out of or - - .
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Bruce, how right you are. To the op. that asked about price. Both 5ers that I've owned that had the dual pane windows were purchased off the lot and they were already "part of the package". I do believe it's more the $500 though, guess it would depend on how long the unit is and how many windows are in it. The Coachmen Somerset (370RLS), didn't have as many windows in it as sig. 5er, the Somerset was white, sig. 5er has a lot of body paint on it (a brown), but also white.
I won't try to justify anything to someone who has never had a unit with dual pane windows, or at least that's the impression I'm getting,
as they say, "don't knock em' until you've tried em'".
I will try to answer one of your questions as best I can, any more personal then this, it's none of your business.
I camped the same time of year in Cherokee NC, Pipestem Park WV, Riverside RV Park in Sevierville TN, and Crooked Creek RV Park in SC with TT's and 5er's without dual pane windows and with dual pane windows over a period of approx. 10 years, approx. 5 years would be with single pane windows and approx. 5 years with 5er's with dual pane windows. At times it was very cold with both units, sometimes it was, to me, very hot, with both units. This last unit has more body paint,(brown), then all the others that I had which were almost all completely white. So from having had to heat and cool rv's in those types of conditions with single pane and dual pane windows and knowing that I saved propane gas when heating and knowing that my
AC(s) didn't have to work as hard to cool the unit which had dual pane windows, then, at this time, I speak from experience Period. Yeah, couldn't help it, took your bait, hook, line and sinker, just couldn't help myself though.
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gitane59
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When I bought the trailer in my sig I did not know it had dual pane window. The salesperson never mentioned it and I did not notice that it had dual panes since I had never really looked that closely at a trailers windows. This is my 3rd 5ver and both previous ones were weekend trailers and had Jalousie windows. The first trip out in the Newmar it was early spring. I kept mentioning to the DW that i could not believe how soundproof the trailer was. We were in a rather noisy campground yet it was dead quiet in the trailer. The first two nights it was downright eerie how quiet it was inside the trailer. The next day out of curiosity I started to investigate the windows. That's when I realized they were double thickness panes of glass. It was then that the dim light bulb went on in my head and I realized the trailer had dual-pane windows. I also then noticed how they differed in the way they opened compared to the normal Jalousie style and how that contributed to their insulation values. Needless to say I love them and a long time from now when I'm ready to purchase another trailer for full-timing (retirements not for at least 8 years) it will have dual panes as well.
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I would get the dual pane windows and go ahead and have the second a/c unit installed at the factory. You will save labor cost if ordered from factory. Your thermostat will be more centralized if from the factory. If your unit don't have good insulation in roof, you might need the extra cooling in the future and you would have a backup unit, in case one fails while camping.
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