Drago
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That's the problem I haven't bought it yet.
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LarryJM
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Drago wrote:Hi guys I need help trying to figure out the actuale weight of a trailer.Is the over all weight of a trailer the hitch weight and the dry weight added together or do you subtract the hitch weight from the dry weight? Thanks in advance
I replied to you other similar question in THIS THREAD and you need to provide all the info so people can give you the best info. Based on what I saw in your other thread ...
1. You have a 3.73 rear axle and I'm not sure that your GCWR is 19,000 as that might be for the 4.10 rear.
2. The trailer you're looking at appears to be a toy hauler and has a GVWR of around 13,500 and your 4x4 Sub will probably be close to it's 8,600 to 8,800 GVWR when loaded, fueled and hooked up to that TH and most likely several thousand pounds over even that 19,000 GCWR if it even applies to your 3.73 rear end. If true you might be struggling over some of those not so flat Ca. highways since almost all highways out of Ca. involve some sort of mtn. towing.
3. Dry wts. are useless in general and that's especially true for TH with their excessive cargo capacity and screwy dry hitch wt. My recommendation is to use the GVWR of the TH and 10% of that for a WAG at the tongue wt. For a 13,500 GVWR trailer that would give you a tongue wt. of 1350 lbs and then you have to add the weight of the WDH and sway and a WAG at that would be around 100lbs. I'm guessing on the road that trailer would have a tongue wt. (including the WDH and sway wt.) somewhere in the 1500 to 1700 lb range.
ON EDIT In looking around on the GCWR question I ran across THIS THREAD started on 9/1/08 where you say your Sub has the 4.1 rear and not the 3.73 in that link I gave above and was asking about the same model TH. Also, that thread advised you of too much trailer and your last post said
Thank you to all for the great info. I will continue to look, thanks.
I just hope you're not looking for someone to say you're fine to support getting that monster TH vs. what you probably know in the back of your mind that you need to be looking at a smaller TH.
Larry
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wantsalife
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Drago wrote:To clarify my question, if lookig at a brouchue the weights listed. Do I add or subtract the dry weight and hitch weight. Weights listed in a brochure are only meant to give you an idea of what the trailer weights empty. It isn't accurate though. The true dry weight of a trailer is the actual scaled weight of the trailer when it is empty. That weight includes the weight of the hitch.
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steelpony5555
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If you look inside your cabinets, the one over the sink usually but not always, you will find the dry weight of the TT as it was shipped from the factory-that sticker is for your TT only--that does include the AC and propane tanks--like I said that is it's weight as it was weighed at the factory after it was built ---ask your dealer---the weights in the brochures are average because of so many options. The only difference would be if the dealer ,although rare, would have added something to the TT.--there usually isn't anything to add unless you request them to change something----The hitch weight has nothing to do with the dry weight of the TT, it is only how much of that weight is resting on your trucks hitch. That can change too depending on where your water tank is and if you travel with it full and also how you load your TT. My water tank is in the very rear and if I fill it, it tows terrible cause it takes alot of weight off the hitch.---the dry weight does matter--it is your starting point---If your truck is rated at 8500lbs and you find a dry weight TT at 6000lbs even with your stuff you should be within range--then you check the other factors to verify
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BenK
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Drago wrote:That's the problem I haven't bought it yet.
Ah, thought so...dealing with brochure info...
Either find someone with the 'EXACT' trailer and options. Have them
weigh it and that will be 'close' to what yours will weigh.
Otherwise you'll have to gamble on what it will weigh and the loading
will then factor, as not everyone loads the same.
Best to then use this formula to figure the ball park maximums.
GCWR >= TV GVWR(includes hitch) + trailer GVWR
This will give you the setup loaded up their maximum ratings (GVWR).
If you plan on loading below either of their GVWR's, then the other
can weigh more.
Best to actually weigh the setup axle by axle, both empty and fully
loaded. That way you'll know where you are in reference to these
ratings.
Careful on the MTWR (max tow weight rating), as they used a base or
'curb' TV, which is the lightest stripper model in order to get the largest
trailer for their marketing/sales brochures (king of the hill stuff).
Ditto on the trailer side, as they want to show the lightest so that
just about any TV can tow it...no AC, no stove, no propane tanks, no
battery, no spare, etc, etc, etc, etc...
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BenK
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Forgot to actually list what 'dry weight' is....
My first post covers it, but not directly using 'dry weight'.
'Dry weight' is the brochure stripper model. I has no options, nor loaded cargo.
Sure, there 'might' be some manufacturers who actually list the real weight, but
I've not seen one yet.
Just like 'curb' weight of a tow vehicle. Not many out there are purchased in
the base model trim (no AC, no 4x4, no upgraded engine, no auto tranny, no
radio, no power window, no power seats, no power locks, etc, etc).
There are a few threads running on 'curb' or 'base' TV weights and the posts
show that just about all weigh more than their brochure 'curb' weight, which
on the trailer side is the 'dry weight'
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Drago
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Thanks again to all who have replied, all this trailer stuff can be pretty elabrate even for someone who knows a little about trailer and weights. It's always good to know that there will be somebody or bodies who will know a little more. I'm still looking for that almost perfect trailer.
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Ron Gratz
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Drago wrote:Thanks for the reply I'm trying to figure out the dry weight of a trailer that I did weigh on scales. The trailer came in at 7940 and the rear wheels of my Sub came in at 5300, with 4 adults and 2 children. The sub weights a total of 7080 with 2 adults and 2 children. I have a 2500 sub with a gvwr 8800 and cgvwr of 19000,so it all get's a little tricky. Thanks for the help.
There is not enough information in the above post to determine the dry weight of the TT.
However, in this post in a different thread, you provided the following:
On the rear wheels of the Sub I got 5300lbs with three adults and two children 12 and 8 with the trailer hooked up. Then I got a second reading for the trailer axles of 7940. Still confuesd I went to another scale and had the Sub weighed with just two adults and the same children, the weight was steer axle at 3620 and the drive axle at 3460 for a total of 7080.
With the TT attached, the load on the drive axle increased by 5300-3460 = 1840#. If you were NOT using a weight distribution system when you were on the scales, the tongue weight would have been about 1840/1.5 = 1227#.
The total dry weight of the TT would have been about 7940+1227 = 9167#.
The dry tongue weight percentage would have been about 1227/9167 = 13.4%
Let me know if you have questions about how these estimates are obtained.
Ron
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LarryJM
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Ron Gratz wrote:Drago wrote:Thanks for the reply I'm trying to figure out the dry weight of a trailer that I did weigh on scales. The trailer came in at 7940 and the rear wheels of my Sub came in at 5300, with 4 adults and 2 children. The sub weights a total of 7080 with 2 adults and 2 children. I have a 2500 sub with a gvwr 8800 and cgvwr of 19000,so it all get's a little tricky. Thanks for the help.
There is not enough information in the above post to determine the dry weight of the TT.
However, in this post in a different thread, you provided the following:
On the rear wheels of the Sub I got 5300lbs with three adults and two children 12 and 8 with the trailer hooked up. Then I got a second reading for the trailer axles of 7940. Still confuesd I went to another scale and had the Sub weighed with just two adults and the same children, the weight was steer axle at 3620 and the drive axle at 3460 for a total of 7080.
With the TT attached, the load on the drive axle increased by 5300-3460 = 1840#. If you were NOT using a weight distribution system when you were on the scales, the tongue weight would have been about 1840/1.5 = 1227#.
The total dry weight of the TT would have been about 7940+1227 = 9167#.
The dry tongue weight percentage would have been about 1227/9167 = 13.4%
Let me know if you have questions about how these estimates are obtained.
Ron
Also what the OP hasn't shared here and told me in a PM is he is trying to get something to carry in his own words "four large quads" (I have absolutely no idea the weight of a "large quad" would be, but my guess it ain't light) so that dry 9100 or so wt. once loaded with all those quads, cargo and all the other stuff is going to use every bit of that 13,500 lb GVWR for that trailer and might even exceed that trailers GVWR or AWRs.
IMHO he is into a 1T diesel for a TT TH or a 1T dually diesel for a 5er TH. Those quads will require gas and all other kinds of things.
I just see no way for him to get to where he wants with his current TV.
Larry
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BenK
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Drago, you need to clarify for me.
Do you or don't you have the trailer in your possession or still shopping for one?
Your comments say both and will have folks giving advice on mis-information.
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