GM 36.71% (549,197 units)
Ford 29.91% (447,513 units)
Toyota 15.53% (232,339 units)
Dodge 13.10% (196,058 units)
Nissan 4.73% (70,773 units)
At least Nissan is keeping Dodge off the bottom.
I could see GM keeping the cummins around for MDT applications but the new technology GM and others are working on will be the power plants for the LDTs.
Not sure where you get your numbers, but Toyota hasn't sold that many Tundras. I guess you combined the Tacoma numbers into the Toyota truck total, but failed to combine the Dakota numbers into the Dodge trucks. Using that method, you would have to combine all light trucks together to get a fair comparison.
Here are the ACTUAL year to date numbers for specific trucks from www.pickuptruck.com ..
"Ford F-Series
392,698 -26.9% YTD
September 2008: 32,727
September 2007: 56,065
Chevrolet Silverado
370,502 -22.5% YTD
September 2008: 50,428
September 2007: 52,480
Dodge Ram
196,058 -29.0% YTD
September 2008: 20,812
September 2007: 30,100
GMC Sierra
133,811 -14.9% YTD
September 2008: 18,744
September 2007: 18,445
Toyota Tacoma
117,313 -13.4% YTD
September 2008: 9,176
September 2007: 13,996
Toyota Tundra
115,026 -20.4% YTD
September 2008: 7,696
September 2007: 19,571
Ford Ranger
54,815 -4.6% YTD
September 2008: 3,915
September 2007: 4,019
Chevrolet Colorado
44,884 -24.2% YTD
September 2008: 3,359
September 2007: 5,598
Nissan Frontier
40,873 -19.4% YTD
September 2008: 1,534
September 2007: 5,480
Nissan Titan
29,900 -41.3% YTD
September 2008: 2,872
September 2007: 5,193"
You will note that the Dodge Ram is still a strong seller in 3rd place behind the Ford and Chevy trucks. The GMC sierra is over 60,000 units Behind the Dodge.
My suggestion to use the GMC was for looks alone, and not based on sales numbers. I personally find the current Chevy truck front hideous, and find the GMC version more visually appealing. But perhaps GM would be wise to keep the Silverado I don't know. I always thought the only reason the Chevy out sold the GMC was due to lower prices and the Chevy name. I feel if you put the GMC body work on the Chevy, it would still sell well, and maybe even better. But that's just speculation on my part.
Another important note is that the current Dodge 4500/5500 trucks are selling well and even took Ford's top spot in that market for a few months. GM doesn't even compete in that market at all. Again this would show that using the Dodge trucks as the work/utility type line would be a wise move.
Looks like I get my numbers from the same place you do. The only difference appears to be that I know how to add. Get your calculator out and add up all of the trucks on the list made by each maker and you will get the exact numbers in my post. I am sorry that your beloved truck is on its way to the boneyard but that's life. BTW in response to your previous post, my current truck is the first chevy I have ever owned. If Ford ever gets its act together with a decent engine I'm headed back that way. After recently driving a new Dodge my friend was looking at I can not imagine any circumstance under which I would actually pay money for one. Friend bought a Ford. There was no comparison between the two trucks. The dealerships actually were on either side of the road. Friend asked the Dodge salesman if he could park the trucks side by side to compare them. The dodge guy just turned and walked away with his tail between his legs. It was really sad.
If you add up all the trucks by the manufacturers, How can the Dodge numbers be identical on both lists? I know the Dakota numbers aren't much, but they sold enough to easily put the Dodge truck sales over 200,000 for the year. So in effect, your list is inaccurate! Come on be a man and admit it! I will be waiting. ON EDIT, I see that maybe you didn't take the Dodge Dakota sales into consideration because they didn't make the top ten list I posted. For your info the Dakota has sold 21,626 units to date. My list didn't include the Dakota numbers for you to see, so I was a little harsh on you. My apologies.
And now you try to refute my facts with stories about "my friend did this at the dealer......." sure. I can add multiple stories of my own about reasons people feel Dodge trucks are superior to GM, but it has no bearing on this issue. If your story is at all accurate, that wasn't much of a salesman because I could easily compare Ford and a Dodge, or a GM and a Dodge and point out numerous reasons the why the Dodge was a better deal. Again, this is all irrelevant to the issue at hand.
Keep tryin' though, I am listening!
* This post was
edited 10/11/08 06:26pm by surveyorjp *
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Capt Skup wrote: Well I hope the Jeep Wrangler survives. Other than the Jeep, I really see nothing else of value to GM
GM has no value, they are on the verge of Bankruptcy. At best they might start breaking even in a couple of years, if they last that long. These GM fanatics talk like GM is doing something right. If they were they wouldnt almost be out of business.
The only reason they would merge is to save there hide if thats still possible..
If thats's the case how many times has Chrysler been saved and by the government or bought buy other companies. I have realitives in the higher up of both chrysler and GM and I would never buy a dodge. I'm a GM man all the way. Not to mention who came out with the hemi first? Does anyone know? Not chrysler...
GM 36.71% (549,197 units)
Ford 29.91% (447,513 units)
Toyota 15.53% (232,339 units)
Dodge 13.10% (196,058 units)
Nissan 4.73% (70,773 units)
At least Nissan is keeping Dodge off the bottom.
I could see GM keeping the cummins around for MDT applications but the new technology GM and others are working on will be the power plants for the LDTs.
Not sure where you get your numbers, but Toyota hasn't sold that many Tundras. I guess you combined the Tacoma numbers into the Toyota truck total, but failed to combine the Dakota numbers into the Dodge trucks. Using that method, you would have to combine all light trucks together to get a fair comparison.
Here are the ACTUAL year to date numbers for specific trucks from www.pickuptruck.com ..
"Ford F-Series
392,698 -26.9% YTD
September 2008: 32,727
September 2007: 56,065
Chevrolet Silverado
370,502 -22.5% YTD
September 2008: 50,428
September 2007: 52,480
Dodge Ram
196,058 -29.0% YTD
September 2008: 20,812
September 2007: 30,100
GMC Sierra
133,811 -14.9% YTD
September 2008: 18,744
September 2007: 18,445
Toyota Tacoma
117,313 -13.4% YTD
September 2008: 9,176
September 2007: 13,996
Toyota Tundra
115,026 -20.4% YTD
September 2008: 7,696
September 2007: 19,571
Ford Ranger
54,815 -4.6% YTD
September 2008: 3,915
September 2007: 4,019
Chevrolet Colorado
44,884 -24.2% YTD
September 2008: 3,359
September 2007: 5,598
Nissan Frontier
40,873 -19.4% YTD
September 2008: 1,534
September 2007: 5,480
Nissan Titan
29,900 -41.3% YTD
September 2008: 2,872
September 2007: 5,193"
You will note that the Dodge Ram is still a strong seller in 3rd place behind the Ford and Chevy trucks. The GMC sierra is over 60,000 units Behind the Dodge.
My suggestion to use the GMC was for looks alone, and not based on sales numbers. I personally find the current Chevy truck front hideous, and find the GMC version more visually appealing. But perhaps GM would be wise to keep the Silverado I don't know. I always thought the only reason the Chevy out sold the GMC was due to lower prices and the Chevy name. I feel if you put the GMC body work on the Chevy, it would still sell well, and maybe even better. But that's just speculation on my part.
Another important note is that the current Dodge 4500/5500 trucks are selling well and even took Ford's top spot in that market for a few months. GM doesn't even compete in that market at all. Again this would show that using the Dodge trucks as the work/utility type line would be a wise move.
I hate how Ford always says they have the number 1 selling truck when if you add all of Gm's trucks(Silverado and Sierra) you get way more then the Ford. Going by these numbers GM has 504,313 to Fords 392,698 Thats a 111,615 more trucks gor GM. So who actually sells the more trucks? GM!
Well after the weekend of watching and doing a bit of reading, here is what I suspect may happen, which is probably the only benefictial course of action. GM take on Jeep, sell the truck brand to Nissan, they want real bad to have a heavy duty truck, then scrap the rest of the stuff. The Chrysler 300 is on it's last leg, the thug crowd is penniless without equity in their cardboard boxes, the mid size was delivered DOA, the Calibre is a joke. The Durango is the worst of a bad lot. Only marketebale merchandise is the Cummins contract, Nissan would love that, and Jeep, the only money maker Chrysler has. I can only hope that foreign buyers don't get it. GM would be foolish to trade off the mortages market for this sorry heap.
Capt Skup
AD-1(AW)USN Ret.
Wonderful Wife, 3 beautiful Daughters
"Never get in a battle of wits with an unarmed man"
Wow Cpt Skup that will for sure get some comments. I would never get rid of GMAC it will be a money maker. But the rest of your post is very true, the sales numbers don't lie. I still don't think GM will go for Chysler/Dodge. It just doesn't make a lot of sense, it will be just more dollars down the drain. And the Government will not let GM go under, we all remember the bail out for Chysler/Dodge. GBY...
GM 36.71% (549,197 units)
Ford 29.91% (447,513 units)
Toyota 15.53% (232,339 units)
Dodge 13.10% (196,058 units)
Nissan 4.73% (70,773 units)
At least Nissan is keeping Dodge off the bottom.
I could see GM keeping the cummins around for MDT applications but the new technology GM and others are working on will be the power plants for the LDTs.
Not sure where you get your numbers, but Toyota hasn't sold that many Tundras. I guess you combined the Tacoma numbers into the Toyota truck total, but failed to combine the Dakota numbers into the Dodge trucks. Using that method, you would have to combine all light trucks together to get a fair comparison.
Here are the ACTUAL year to date numbers for specific trucks from www.pickuptruck.com ..
"Ford F-Series
392,698 -26.9% YTD
September 2008: 32,727
September 2007: 56,065
Chevrolet Silverado
370,502 -22.5% YTD
September 2008: 50,428
September 2007: 52,480
Dodge Ram
196,058 -29.0% YTD
September 2008: 20,812
September 2007: 30,100
GMC Sierra
133,811 -14.9% YTD
September 2008: 18,744
September 2007: 18,445
Toyota Tacoma
117,313 -13.4% YTD
September 2008: 9,176
September 2007: 13,996
Toyota Tundra
115,026 -20.4% YTD
September 2008: 7,696
September 2007: 19,571
Ford Ranger
54,815 -4.6% YTD
September 2008: 3,915
September 2007: 4,019
Chevrolet Colorado
44,884 -24.2% YTD
September 2008: 3,359
September 2007: 5,598
Nissan Frontier
40,873 -19.4% YTD
September 2008: 1,534
September 2007: 5,480
Nissan Titan
29,900 -41.3% YTD
September 2008: 2,872
September 2007: 5,193"
You will note that the Dodge Ram is still a strong seller in 3rd place behind the Ford and Chevy trucks. The GMC sierra is over 60,000 units Behind the Dodge.
My suggestion to use the GMC was for looks alone, and not based on sales numbers. I personally find the current Chevy truck front hideous, and find the GMC version more visually appealing. But perhaps GM would be wise to keep the Silverado I don't know. I always thought the only reason the Chevy out sold the GMC was due to lower prices and the Chevy name. I feel if you put the GMC body work on the Chevy, it would still sell well, and maybe even better. But that's just speculation on my part.
Another important note is that the current Dodge 4500/5500 trucks are selling well and even took Ford's top spot in that market for a few months. GM doesn't even compete in that market at all. Again this would show that using the Dodge trucks as the work/utility type line would be a wise move.
I hate how Ford always says they have the number 1 selling truck when if you add all of Gm's trucks(Silverado and Sierra) you get way more then the Ford. Going by these numbers GM has 504,313 to Fords 392,698 Thats a 111,615 more trucks gor GM. So who actually sells the more trucks? GM!
That's very true. Ford F-series sales are WAY down. Even though the Superduty is a new model, Ford can't move them. I guess the public is responding to the fact that the 6.4 PSD is simply a fuel hog. The Cummins and Duramax don't do as well mpg wise as they used to either, but they do much better than the 6.4L PSD.
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