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Phillerup

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Posted: 07/01/09 05:06pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

They're nuts. There is a brand new 2008 Newmar Dutch Star in Tucson at Freedom RV for $201k -- MSRP is probably $350K. I don't think you can buy a new 2008 for the price you are thinking - maybe a used one close to that. Yes, I know the business is in the dumpster, but the list on it is probably around $350K or so. The 40 ft. full paint DSDPs were selling 6 years ago for about $155K new - give or take a little. Now they have a lot of updates they did not have back then like a larger diesel engine... I am all for buying something at a good of a price as you can and I usually buy pre-owned. It would probably make you a great unit - our DSDP has been trouble free pretty much. I don't blame you - I would have gone camping too. Good luck with finding the right thing for you.

Try to buy it low as possible - they need to sell it worse than you need to buy it and it is just losing them money.



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I got so irritated today I called my Banker to see if he had any wisdom on the matter. He brought up a point that I hadn't considered. He said alot of times Banks need to hold recovered collateral and assgn a value that makes their loan loss ratio look good. As long as it's an asset with a value they assign the loss from the sale isn't charged off against their bottom line. If BOA has say 100 "new" motorcoaches and they value them at $250K each instead of taking a $100K loss each their bottom line still looks decent. With the current unrest in the financial market maybe someone up the ladder has set a disposal loss percentage that forces the person in charge of it to look like an idiot. Believe it or not that actually made some sense to me.

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Lariat trucker wrote:

I got so irritated today I called my Banker to see if he had any wisdom on the matter. He brought up a point that I hadn't considered. He said alot of times Banks need to hold recovered collateral and assgn a value that makes their loan loss ratio look good. As long as it's an asset with a value they assign the loss from the sale isn't charged off against their bottom line. If BOA has say 100 "new" motorcoaches and they value them at $250K each instead of taking a $100K loss each their bottom line still looks decent. With the current unrest in the financial market maybe someone up the ladder has set a disposal loss percentage that forces the person in charge of it to look like an idiot. Believe it or not that actually made some sense to me.


Just a way to juggle numbers and make someone look good! Is it any wonder our banking system has tanked!

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Lariat trucker wrote:

I got so irritated today I called my Banker to see if he had any wisdom on the matter. He brought up a point that I hadn't considered. He said alot of times Banks need to hold recovered collateral and assgn a value that makes their loan loss ratio look good. As long as it's an asset with a value they assign the loss from the sale isn't charged off against their bottom line. If BOA has say 100 "new" motorcoaches and they value them at $250K each instead of taking a $100K loss each their bottom line still looks decent. With the current unrest in the financial market maybe someone up the ladder has set a disposal loss percentage that forces the person in charge of it to look like an idiot. Believe it or not that actually made some sense to me.
This just confirms what my statistics professor said on the 1st day of class over 40 years ago; "remember one thing from my course, numbers lie and liars use numbers". Now we know why our banking system is in such a deplorable state.


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Another factor not taken into consideration here is that there are actually three parties involved in this transaction. The bank selling the unit, the person making the offer, and the dealer who it was repossessed from. The bank liquidating the inventory has a fiducial responsibility to sell the unit in a responsible manner at current market value if they have any intention to pursue a deficit balance from the original dealer. Most floor plan agreements require a personal signature from the dealer and subjects all their assets to possible recovery.

While all the folks on this Forum can guess at what they think the unit is worth, the numbers presented fall far short of any recognized value guides. The original dealer could easily claim error on the bank's part in their decision and void any further claims against assets. In many if not most cases, the dealer's personal assets are far greater than the assets contained within the dealership.

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Offer 75K . Be ready to buy


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In the end "what it's worth" is what someone will pay. At some point they (the bank) will have to balance an offer against continuing depreciation on the unit.

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BWhite wrote:

Offer 75K . Be ready to buy



Offer $100.00. Be ready to buy. Duh,,,


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Lariat trucker wrote:

In the end "what it's worth" is what someone will pay. At some point they (the bank) will have to balance an offer against continuing depreciation on the unit.
Any progress? They were trying to rip you, IMHO. The market continues to fall. Deals should get better and better.


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JALLEN4 wrote:

Another factor not taken into consideration here is that there are actually three parties involved in this transaction. The bank selling the unit, the person making the offer, and the dealer who it was repossessed from. The bank liquidating the inventory has a fiducial responsibility to sell the unit in a responsible manner at current market value if they have any intention to pursue a deficit balance from the original dealer. Most floor plan agreements require a personal signature from the dealer and subjects all their assets to possible recovery.

While all the folks on this Forum can guess at what they think the unit is worth, the numbers presented fall far short of any recognized value guides. The original dealer could easily claim error on the bank's part in their decision and void any further claims against assets. In many if not most cases, the dealer's personal assets are far greater than the assets contained within the dealership.
"Value guides" are out the window on everything today - cars, classic cars, motorcycles, RVs, including bank repoed homes. A home near the home in Omaha I sold had an asking price of $169,900 two weeks ago. It sold in less than 5 business days. Now why it would have been priced that low in a neighborhood of $225,000 to $375,000 and up homes, I have no idea. The quick sale indicated that it was priced drastically below market. Some mortgage banking decisions cannot be justified. There is no reason that a real buy cannot be made on an RV.

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