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Ro646a wrote:.....
I hate to complicate this thread any further, but my only reservation in moving forward with the purchase comes from all the accounts I have seen on this forum of relatively new tires failing.
If I were running new tires that were a brand name...and I kept them inflated...tire failure would be the last thing on my mind.
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Ro646a wrote:I was the OP on this thread, although I have updated my signature picture since the orginal post. Camping World is having a promotion right now and they quoted me $1842 out the door, installed, for a set of 6 new GoodYear G670 245 R70 19.5 tires. At that price I am ready to go ahead and replace the old ones.
I hate to complicate this thread any further, but my only reservation in moving forward with the purchase comes from all the accounts I have seen on this forum of relatively new tires failing. Excellent choice!
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Ro646a wrote:I was the OP on this thread, although I have updated my signature picture since the orginal post. Camping World is having a promotion right now and they quoted me $1842 out the door, installed, for a set of 6 new GoodYear G670 245 R70 19.5 tires. At that price I am ready to go ahead and replace the old ones.
I hate to complicate this thread any further, but my only reservation in moving forward with the purchase comes from all the accounts I have seen on this forum of relatively new tires failing. You have to replace them sometime! But do you want to do it all at once or spread it over time. You could buy two new steer tires now, and two duals next year and two more the following year. That way it is spread out over time and does not hurt the pocket book so bad.
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G670 had a rivering problem. Don't know if Goodyear has fixed it yet.
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Cousin_Eddy wrote:G670 had a rivering problem. Don't know if Goodyear has fixed it yet. They have had a rivering problem for at least 15 years now. Does not seem to affect anything.
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My neighbor had a wobbley steering wheel with his G670s. He couldn't get rid of it until he replaced them with Toyo's.
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JALLEN4 wrote:First, not everyone working in a tire shop is some kid who worked at McDonald's yesterday. There are just as many people working in the field who have years of experience and training as any other field. Exaggerating and demeaning the people involved proves nothing and only serves to point out a weakness in logic and a lack of knowledge.
All those folks who want to discuss those "alligators" on the road need to learn what they are. They are most often "caps" coming off trailer tires and seldom original tires exploding on steering axles. You will find three or four times more of them during hot weather. This is because of tire overheating generated from low air pressure and one of the most common reasons for tire problems. Buying and using a good tire monitoring system is a far better use of money than buying new tires at some fictitious interval.
For all those that insist death is imminent at some tire age formula, why not simply purchase new steering tires at one-third or one-fourth the cost of a full set. A blowout at speed of a rear tire doesn't trigger instant loss of control and if any damage were to occur insurance coverage is cheaper than four to six tires. Not to mention the savings in energy and resources in the manufacturing of these tires.
We are somewhat throwing the baby out with the bath water here. Tire pressure monitoring is so important factually, not by urban myth, that most manufacturers of cars and trucks are installing monitors as standard equipment. Going forward, it will become mandatory. I can understand a desire for safety. I can't understand an irrational approach to cure a problem that doesn't actually work.
John, I usually agree with many of your assessments on here, but can't help but think we have a huge difference of opinion on this one. You seem to be maintaining that it's better to just wait until you have a blowout on the side of the road, potentially wait 24+ hours for a replacement, hope like h*@# you don't take out critical systems that disable the vehicle entirely, then let the insurance company foot the bill. Excuse the sarcasm -- sounds like a great plan! 
Rubber deteriorates -- that's a FACT. My comment regarding the $8/hr tire changer is based on the fact that I went to a local truck tire dealer and Wingfoot... both sent out young kids who literally felt around the tires for 45 seconds and said "Looks good, you should be fine!" No breaking down of the tire, no crawling underneath to check the inner sidewalls, nothing. These tires were 6 years old... I was going to push it, but based on those confidence-inspiring inspections by Cheech and Chong, I decided not to risk it. Incidentally, one of the "perfectly good tires" (according to the "highly qualified" inspectors anyway) had a crack of some sort (he showed me, but it didn't mean much to me) -- the tech who replaced them said it was like playing russian roulette with every revolution. This was quite obviously not discovered during "inspection" so don't hand me that "demeaning the people involved" garbage. Two different idiots, two different inspections, two different facilities.
You may consider it a waste of money. Fortunately, I didn't ask you to foot the bill...  I can afford it, it's peace of mind, end of story. If one can't afford to err on the side of caution, ensure the tire is PROPERLY inspected by a QUALIFIED technician, not an idiot that checks tire pressures for a living. This should, per Good Year, involve checking the inside and the outside of the tire.
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LLT wrote:JALLEN4 wrote:First, not everyone working in a tire shop is some kid who worked at McDonald's yesterday. There are just as many people working in the field who have years of experience and training as any other field. Exaggerating and demeaning the people involved proves nothing and only serves to point out a weakness in logic and a lack of knowledge.
All those folks who want to discuss those "alligators" on the road need to learn what they are. They are most often "caps" coming off trailer tires and seldom original tires exploding on steering axles. You will find three or four times more of them during hot weather. This is because of tire overheating generated from low air pressure and one of the most common reasons for tire problems. Buying and using a good tire monitoring system is a far better use of money than buying new tires at some fictitious interval.
For all those that insist death is imminent at some tire age formula, why not simply purchase new steering tires at one-third or one-fourth the cost of a full set. A blowout at speed of a rear tire doesn't trigger instant loss of control and if any damage were to occur insurance coverage is cheaper than four to six tires. Not to mention the savings in energy and resources in the manufacturing of these tires.
We are somewhat throwing the baby out with the bath water here. Tire pressure monitoring is so important factually, not by urban myth, that most manufacturers of cars and trucks are installing monitors as standard equipment. Going forward, it will become mandatory. I can understand a desire for safety. I can't understand an irrational approach to cure a problem that doesn't actually work.
John, I usually agree with many of your assessments on here, but can't help but think we have a huge difference of opinion on this one. You seem to be maintaining that it's better to just wait until you have a blowout on the side of the road, potentially wait 24+ hours for a replacement, hope like h*@# you don't take out critical systems that disable the vehicle entirely, then let the insurance company foot the bill. Excuse the sarcasm -- sounds like a great plan!
Rubber deteriorates -- that's a FACT. My comment regarding the $8/hr tire changer is based on the fact that I went to a local truck tire dealer and Wingfoot... both sent out young kids who literally felt around the tires for 45 seconds and said "Looks good, you should be fine!" No breaking down of the tire, no crawling underneath to check the inner sidewalls, nothing. These tires were 6 years old... I was going to push it, but based on those confidence-inspiring inspections by Cheech and Chong, I decided not to risk it. Incidentally, one of the "perfectly good tires" (according to the "highly qualified" inspectors anyway) had a crack of some sort (he showed me, but it didn't mean much to me) -- the tech who replaced them said it was like playing russian roulette with every revolution. This was quite obviously not discovered during "inspection" so don't hand me that "demeaning the people involved" garbage. Two different idiots, two different inspections, two different facilities.
You may consider it a waste of money. Fortunately, I didn't ask you to foot the bill... I can afford it, it's peace of mind, end of story. If one can't afford to err on the side of caution, ensure the tire is PROPERLY inspected by a QUALIFIED technician, not an idiot that checks tire pressures for a living. This should, per Good Year, involve checking the inside and the outside of the tire.
Agree to disagree.
I am certainly happy you chose to spend money on a new set of tires and that you "can afford it". I have spent far more on "comfort" items and hope to again in the future. As a tire retailer, I always like to see people buy new tires, somewhere.
I am sorry you were unable to find someone you trusted to inspect your tires. There certainly is a major difference between an $8.00 an hour "tire buster" and a professional tire man. I have and do employ both.
I have never advocated waiting until you have a "blow out" to replace a tire. That would be a stretch. There are other known and accepted criteria...tread wear, checked sidewalls, sidewall cracks, visible "dry-rot"...to name a few.
My point is simply this and it is not personal. I have never seen any credible evidence cited to support the five year theory. No studies, no research, and no overwhelming statistics from accident investigators paid to find the reason for collisions or fatal accidents. Nothing but a TV show produced by people who were investigating the sale of hog-belly's the week before. In fact, the world's most credible tire manufacturer scoffs at the five year rule even at the risk of them selling fewer tires. Again, in more than forty years of experience, never has any manufacturer cited the age of the tire, to me, as a reason for failure.
If it makes people feel better and safer buying new tires yearly, I am all for it. I am firmly against those on this Forum who try to put people in their grave one day after five years if they don't replace them without offering some credible source of information. Many of us come here to learn and learning is never complete without hearing something other than anecdotal metaphors.
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Well said. All hear ye.
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A thorough and complete tire inspection cannot be done with the tire on the rig, nor with the tire on the rim. If all you want is a cosmetic inspection have your significant other do the inspection, after all she will more likely than not know more about cosmetics than BillyBob the local teenage heart throb. The best thing about your significant other doing the inspection, you won't have to drive it somewhere and drop it off. That can be a real money saver.
The annual inspection after 5 years that Michelin says to do, may impact sales in the short run, but in the long run it increases them. It is a great marketing tool to say that.....they don't say it for nothing, you can bet on it!
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