wittmeba
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Before I could feel any sympathy, Id like to see the payroll of the top 10% of these executives and the accounting books for travel, etc.
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Isn't gm still building 2 plants in China. How much of their production is coming back to USA.
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I think the question about American made has to include the fact that if you are buying Toyota or one of the others you are not only supporting a non-American product but also you are feeding and providing a job to the bookkeepers, engineers,designers, Secretarys, executives, and all of the rest of the support personnel, not to mention the parts suppliers and the bankers. This only compounds when you add in their government subsidies.
So just buying a product made in Japan does do far more to hurt your fellow Americans then what meets the eye.
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wittmeba
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cwit wrote:Isn't gm still building 2 plants in China. How much of their production is coming back to USA.
This really gets me. They tell us 'Buy American'. Then pull this.
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dthfsa wrote:If GM is number one, then why are we as American tax payers bailing them out?
For the same reason that the Japanese tax payers are supporting (without *****ing) their Auto Makers. This pissing and moaning about supporting the Auto Makers is just a American/Canadian problem. Every other Country and most of our more educated officials here understand why it's not a good idea to let any of the car Companies go under.
BTW I bet the State and Federal Officials with the import companies would not bat an eye at giving them Government money if they where to ask for it. Some of them are way to transparent as to their ture agendas!
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Perrysburg Dodgeboy
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wittmeba wrote:cwit wrote:Isn't gm still building 2 plants in China. How much of their production is coming back to USA.
This really gets me. They tell us 'Buy American'. Then pull this.
Why are so many parts on my F250 truck metric?
I do believe they are building those plants there so they can sell in China not to bring them back here right? There are safeguards in place in the Government LOANS (note that word people) that do not allow this to happen, at least until the LOANS (there's that word again) are paid in FULL!
For the people that say I'll never buy a Chrysler or GM because they took money from the Government I hope you have to ask for help some time and people talk smack about you. Look at that scum bag he should get a job, dirty worthless bum.
Remember these are extreme times we are in, and they didn't come about in the last six months. I have often wondered just how much money was given out in no bid Government contracts and just who would be at the end of that pot of gold, bet it wouldn't be a Leprechaun (Bush/Chaney...cough, cough)! Edit if needed
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I think the point I was trying to make was we are bailing out a bankrupt company and they are still building in China. This is not fair to us.
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tomman58 wrote:I think the question about American made has to include the fact that if you are buying Toyota or one of the others you are not only supporting a non-American product but also you are feeding and providing a job to the bookkeepers, engineers,designers, Secretarys, executives, and all of the rest of the support personnel, not to mention the parts suppliers and the bankers. This only compounds when you add in their government subsidies.
So just buying a product made in Japan does do far more to hurt your fellow Americans then what meets the eye.
My Tundra was made in San Antonio, TX, out of a majority of American made parts. Toyota and Nissan both have design and engineering in the U.S. as well. And remember, to keep plants operating requires capital improvements, which means a continuing investment within our country. While some "profits" do go back to Japan, those profits also pay employees, contractors and others.
By the way, how much does a Japanese CEO make compared to one of the Big Three? How about the line workers?
As someone said above, I research, research, research, then buy what I believe is the best vehicle to fit my needs and my budget. It might be American, it might not.
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Perrysburg Dodgeboy
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DocWard wrote:tomman58 wrote:I think the question about American made has to include the fact that if you are buying Toyota or one of the others you are not only supporting a non-American product but also you are feeding and providing a job to the bookkeepers, engineers,designers, Secretarys, executives, and all of the rest of the support personnel, not to mention the parts suppliers and the bankers. This only compounds when you add in their government subsidies.
So just buying a product made in Japan does do far more to hurt your fellow Americans then what meets the eye.
My Tundra was made in San Antonio, TX, out of a majority of American made parts. Toyota and Nissan both have design and engineering in the U.S. as well. And remember, to keep plants operating requires capital improvements, which means a continuing investment within our country. While some "profits" do go back to Japan, those profits also pay employees, contractors and others.
By the way, how much does a Japanese CEO make compared to one of the Big Three? How about the line workers? Well Toyota workers make more then UAW workers if you believe the CEO of Toyota! I have always said the big boys and girls at the top are the ones killing the car companies not the workers!
As someone said above, I research, research, research, then buy what I believe is the best vehicle to fit my needs and my budget. It might be American, it might not.
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Perrysburg Dodgeboy wrote: By the way, how much does a Japanese CEO make compared to one of the Big Three? How about the line workers? Well Toyota workers make more then UAW workers if you believe the CEO of Toyota! I have always said the big boys and girls at the top are the ones killing the car companies not the workers!
I've long been of the opinion that it is both.
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