randyb
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I have a 2006 - 2500 Dodge CTD - 4X2 and I am considering purchasing a Cedar Creek Silverback GII - 36 WQB. I've crunched some numbers and it looks close:
UVW Trailer (stated, not weighed) = 11,400 lbs. (1,928 hitch)
Truck limits: Payload 2,540, GCWR = 20,000, Trailer 13,400, GVWR = 9000 (Axle limits OK), Truck Curb Weight 6,460, Tire limits 3,195 each.
My biggest concern is payload: Limit 2,540 (Hitch 1,940 + passengers 600 + cargo 200 = 2,740lbs. (200 lbs. over) Is this right?
Next concern Gross Combined Weight Rating - Limit 20,000 lbs
Truck - 6,475
Trailer - 11,400
Passengers- 600
Cargo- 1,000
TOTAL 19,475 (500 lbs. under limit)
And last concern is GVWR - Limit 9,000 lbs.
Truck - 6,475
Passengers - 600
Cargo - 200
Hitch - 1,940
Total 9,215 (215 lbs. over...actually this one should be my
first concern.)
Other limits seem to be OK but I was wondering if I calculated something wrong. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.
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JMTTS
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Not enough truck. You should be using a 5th wheel weight closer to the 5th wheel GVWR (15928#) in your estimates. If loaded to the GVWR limit the Pin Weight would approach 3200#. Your 5th wheel will always be heavier than the UVW resulting in a higher Pin Weight unless you never put anything into it.
At a minimum I would recommend a 3500 DRW for that size 5th wheel
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I'd do it.
The 2500 and 3500 SRW are the exact same truck other than a set of overload springs on the 3500. The 3500 gives you an additional 1100lbs of payload.
I had to put airbags on my truck because the overloads don't come into play until there is 2500+ lbs in the bed. Even with 2000lbs of pin weight,firewood,generator and dog I'm not on the overloads.
If I were you,I'd put airbags on your 2500 and go for it.
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randyb wrote:I have a 2006 - 2500 Dodge CTD - 4X2 and I am considering purchasing a Cedar Creek Silverback GII - 36 WQB. I've crunched some numbers and it looks close:
UVW Trailer (stated, not weighed) = 11,400 lbs. (1,928 hitch)
Truck limits: Payload 2,540, GCWR = 20,000, Trailer 13,400, GVWR = 9000 (Axle limits OK), Truck Curb Weight 6,460, Tire limits 3,195 each.
My biggest concern is payload: Limit 2,540 (Hitch 1,940 + passengers 600 + cargo 200 = 2,740lbs. (200 lbs. over) Is this right?
Next concern Gross Combined Weight Rating - Limit 20,000 lbs
Truck - 6,475
Trailer - 11,400
Passengers- 600
Cargo- 1,000
TOTAL 19,475 (500 lbs. under limit)
And last concern is GVWR - Limit 9,000 lbs.
Truck - 6,475
Passengers - 600
Cargo - 200
Hitch - 1,940
Total 9,215 (215 lbs. over...actually this one should be my
first concern.)
Other limits seem to be OK but I was wondering if I calculated something wrong. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Just get a tundra and you'll be fine.
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I bet your truck weighs alot more than 6400 lbs. You have the quad cab with the diesel. I bet the truck weighs closer to 7500 lbs in as-used form, which accounts for fuel, hitch, personal items, aftermarket stuff, factory options, etc. The listed base truck weight doesn't account for any of that.
Take the truck to a scale and weigh it so you know for sure what it really weighs. Weigh the rear axle seperately too so you know how much actual rear axle payload capacity you have available for carrying the trailer pin weight.
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JustLabs wrote:I'd do it.
The 2500 and 3500 SRW are the exact same truck other than a set of overload springs on the 3500. The 3500 gives you an additional 1100lbs of payload.
I had to put airbags on my truck because the overloads don't come into play until there is 2500+ lbs in the bed. Even with 2000lbs of pin weight,firewood,generator and dog I'm not on the overloads.
If I were you,I'd put airbags on your 2500 and go for it.
I don't know what truck you're looking at but the payload for a 2500 and 3500 SRW are exactly the same. They ship with the same rear tires and THAT is the limiting factor. Tow capacity is higher because the 3500 almost always ship with 4.10 gears. SRW 3500 really has little advantage over a 2500 when it comes to towing a 5th wheel because payload is exceeded way before any of the trucks other capacities. Gearing would be the biggest difference.
One possible help for the SRW trucks is going to NITO dura grappler tires in 285/70/17 size. They are the highest weight rated "E" tire I know of that will fit on the stock Dodge rims. The NITTO is rated at 3750lbs for the 70 series and 3970lbs for the 75 series. The tires that ship on the SRW 3500 is the same 3125lb rated 265/70/17 that comes on the 2500 unless there is something else that can be special order like 19.5's or something.
IF your going to tow that weight with a 2500, consider the higher rated tires, airbags and an exhaust brake.
My next tire change (very soon) will be to the NITTO tires. I'm running a lot less trailer than you're talking about and already running very close to the rated capcity of the stock tires (3125lb ea). I doubt I'll actually exceed the rated payload with my current trailer but I just hate running the ragged edge of the tires capacity (especially in the heat we have down here), I like a little "safety margin".
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I used to own a a 2004 Dodge 2500 Quadcab CTD, it also weighed in at a little over 6400 pounds according to a scale with me and wife in it. I agree, have your truck weighed but I don't think it will come out at 7500.
There is an old saying in bicycling. You can spend $1000 to get a lighter bike by 2 pounds. Or you can go on a diet is easily loose 2 pounds for nothing. You may be able to look at your cargo and trim it by 200 pounds and then you are within specs.
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waroads wrote:randyb wrote:I have a 2006 - 2500 Dodge CTD - 4X2 and I am considering purchasing a Cedar Creek Silverback GII - 36 WQB. I've crunched some numbers and it looks close:
UVW Trailer (stated, not weighed) = 11,400 lbs. (1,928 hitch)
Truck limits: Payload 2,540, GCWR = 20,000, Trailer 13,400, GVWR = 9000 (Axle limits OK), Truck Curb Weight 6,460, Tire limits 3,195 each.
My biggest concern is payload: Limit 2,540 (Hitch 1,940 + passengers 600 + cargo 200 = 2,740lbs. (200 lbs. over) Is this right?
Next concern Gross Combined Weight Rating - Limit 20,000 lbs
Truck - 6,475
Trailer - 11,400
Passengers- 600
Cargo- 1,000
TOTAL 19,475 (500 lbs. under limit)
And last concern is GVWR - Limit 9,000 lbs.
Truck - 6,475
Passengers - 600
Cargo - 200
Hitch - 1,940
Total 9,215 (215 lbs. over...actually this one should be my
first concern.)
Other limits seem to be OK but I was wondering if I calculated something wrong. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks.
Just get a tundra and you'll be fine.
Wow, really helpfull.
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JRBurn wrote:waroads wrote:
Just get a tundra and you'll be fine.
Wow, really helpfull.
I don't think being helpful was the intent.
I think you're missing the humor that was intended here..
I thought it was pretty funny. (-:}
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randyb
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I've heard the only difference between the 2500 and 3500 are the overload springs. The manual says the 3500 4X2 payload is 3270. I don't think the gear ratio would affect payload just the trailer towing weight. So by adding overload springs I may be able to increase my payload and GVWR by approximately 730 lbs. if I'm thinking correctly. (The GVWR is 9,900 lbs. for the 3500. That's a 900 lb. difference from mine...not sure what happened to the 170 lb. difference.)
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